The primary problem is spec issues with the receiver. I've seen IMI and aftermarket top covers, stocks and fore grips that fit fine on IMI guns but not on Group/Vector guns. Your group top cover had to be made somewhat out of spec to fit on the out of spec receiver. Manufacturers overcame these issues when completing the gun but they show up when trying to install parts after-the-fact. The parts will fit fine on some Group/vector guns, but that's just another indication of the inconsistency of those receivers.
The Vector Uzis are not "out of spec". That's just internet disinformation.
What you're saying is 100% inaccurate. The receivers that were used to build all of the full auto UZIs from Group Industries and Vector were out of spec. The owners of both companies discussed that at length with me when I was doing research for my book. They talked in great detail about all the work they had to do during assembly of the guns to overcome the spec issues with the receivers. Several of the UZI Talk members visited Vector during a tour I organized and the owner showed many of the steps they have to complete to try to get the receivers closer to spec. Richard from BWE firearms, the best UZI gunsmith in the country, as commented on the spec issues many times. That's not to say that Vectors are bad guns. The problems were overcome in most of the guns and people have gotten a lot of great use from them, but they have spec issues. Occasionally replacement parts and accessories don't fit properly because of the spec issues. Saying that it's "internet disinformation" is complete bullshit.
OK Dave, I've been a member of this board for a long time since buying my out of spec Vector in 2001 and read your never ending posts about how IMI guns are better than Vectors because Vectors are 'out of spec'. Can you elaborate on that? Every time anyone asks the Vector vs. IMI question, you chime in with the out of spec comment. The implication being that Vector guns are fatally flawed -- then there's the comment that they're OK and fixable in most cases ("but why would you want to buy one?" implication). Had I read that when I bought my gun, I'd have steered clear of Vectors. Glad I didn't.
Judging from the gun I have, it must not be much of an issue because it just runs and runs and runs. I did replace the sear on it once. I've got no problems swapping lowers/grips on it (e.g. a 45 ACP conversion). Barrels go in and out fine. The bolt doesn't rub. I've been using the same top cover the entire time. What else is there left, but a sheet metal box? Are the angles not perfectly 90 degrees? Is it not square? Too long? If the receiver is out of spec, then did I just get lucky? Or was it the opposite in your case with the Vector you owned?
OK Dave, I've been a member of this board for a long time since buying my out of spec Vector in 2001 and read your never ending posts about how IMI guns are better than Vectors because Vectors are 'out of spec'. Can you elaborate on that? Every time anyone asks the Vector vs. IMI question, you chime in with the out of spec comment. The implication being that Vector guns are fatally flawed -- then there's the comment that they're OK and fixable in most cases ("but why would you want to buy one?" implication). Had I read that when I bought my gun, I'd have steered clear of Vectors. Glad I didn't.
Judging from the gun I have, it must not be much of an issue because it just runs and runs and runs. I did replace the sear on it once. I've got no problems swapping lowers/grips on it (e.g. a 45 ACP conversion). Barrels go in and out fine. The bolt doesn't rub. I've been using the same top cover the entire time. What else is there left, but a sheet metal box? Are the angles not perfectly 90 degrees? Is it not square? Too long? If the receiver is out of spec, then did I just get lucky? Or was it the opposite in your case with the Vector you owned?
We need a beating the dead horse icon.oke Or maybe a broken record ... skip .... skip ... skip.
OK Dave, I've been a member of this board for a long time since buying my out of spec Vector in 2001 and read your never ending posts about how IMI guns are better than Vectors because Vectors are 'out of spec'. Can you elaborate on that? Every time anyone asks the Vector vs. IMI question, you chime in with the out of spec comment. The implication being that Vector guns are fatally flawed -- then there's the comment that they're OK and fixable in most cases ("but why would you want to buy one?" implication). Had I read that when I bought my gun, I'd have steered clear of Vectors. Glad I didn't.
Judging from the gun I have, it must not be much of an issue because it just runs and runs and runs. I did replace the sear on it once. I've got no problems swapping lowers/grips on it (e.g. a 45 ACP conversion). Barrels go in and out fine. The bolt doesn't rub. I've been using the same top cover the entire time. What else is there left, but a sheet metal box? Are the angles not perfectly 90 degrees? Is it not square? Too long? If the receiver is out of spec, then did I just get lucky? Or was it the opposite in your case with the Vector you owned?
We need a beating the dead horse icon.oke Or maybe a broken record ... skip .... skip ... skip.
Have two Vectors and both are like pmf's. That doesn't make me a Vector fanboy......nor an IMI hater. I don't read Dave's and Richard's posts as Vector-bashing.
Both are being truthful. Bear in mind Richard fixes problems, doesn't likely see non-problems. My wife used to caution her friends about my seeing pathological states in everybody cuz that's what I dealt with all day.
If you own a Vector you probably noticed they shoot kinda high. I thought that was normal until I shot an IMI. Yeah, the frames are out of spec. But the devil is a quantitative dude. Is it out of spec enough to be problematic? Most Vectors are not. And I really don't care that mine shoots high. Makes 200 yd hits easier. Even good welds go bad given enough time and impact. Do trunnions go early on a higher percentage of Vectors? Yes, but again, both mine are way past the early breakage point.
Couple years ago ran into a IMI gun that would not run at a shoot. Turned out the blocking bar removal was poorly executed. Like bad Vector welds or imperfect frame alignment, it's fixable.
We're lucky to have a resource like Dave, Uzi encyclopedia and author. We're lucky to have Richard here, too.