Will M16 values Plummet in the light of Forced Reset Triggers Being Legal

[Haris1]

On ATF.Gov, ATF had posted a process that triggers that they seized or received by surrendering them can be returned if so requested.
These were previously determined to be post 86 machineguns. The lawsuit was brought by Rare breed Triggers and National Association for
Gun Rights. The plaintiffs won and ATF appealed and a final decision will be forthcoming.

The Good News is the return of the triggers. When has ATF returned anything they considered an illegal Machine Gun?

These triggers will increase the rate of fire to 750 to 900 rpm depending on barrel length and Buffer weight.
This is the same as M16 specs.

Who will spend 50-60 Thousand for a Pre86 M16 when they can have the same performance for under $1000 ??

Time will tell

 

[Slowmo]

It definitely has reduced my interest. You can do a lot of shooting with the $25-30k price difference.

 

[strobro32]

Ditto.

I was very close to buying an M16 when I tried the Super Safety. The SS functionality on an AR-15 is very reliable. The 3 position selector works well without thinking about the right force to squeeze the trigger.

I owned a Rare Breed FRT-15 but I did not like concentrating on the trigger and the 2 position got old very quick. It had the tendency of binding if the trigger was squeezed too hard. I sold the RB FRT-15. Even if they released a 3 position, I feel the SS is a better design.

I would like to have a better 22LR option with the SS. I think if the Hughes Amendment was repealed, I would get M16s. For now the SS has squashed any interest in buying a M16.

 

[ericthered]

My budget doesn't allow for much interest in a m16. I can just afford my drool rag I need when I see one. The only thing a auto can do that a semi cant, is burst packs. Until some german figures out how to install a clock mechanism in a AR15.

 

[KickStand]

Will they plummet, NO!
Will they stay stagnant, maybe but doubt it.
Will they go down in price, I HOPE SO. (this is coming from someone who owns and sp1 m16 auto conversion and paws m16).


The future is looking bright but it can look dark in a bleak of an eye. If someone uses one of these triggers in a mass event*, they’ll be gone in a blink. I could say the same about an MG but they might be a harder to get ride of (still possible). Lastly, I see states banning these before the fed. At least, in the near future I wish I could try one in FL.

 

[Alaska_Shooter]

I haven’t shot my m16 since I got into SSs. I’m thinking about selling it. I don’t need the money so it’ll probably just sit in the safe.

For a shooter, there’s no reason to buy an m16 over a SS

 

[strobro32]

Ditto.

 

[Galil#1]

NO!

 

[Haris1]

strobo32 said:

I was very close to buying an M16 when I tried the Super Safety. The SS functionality on an AR-15 is very reliable. The 3 position selector works well without thinking about the right force to squeeze the trigger.

I owned a Rare Breed FRT-15 but I did not like concentrating on the trigger and the 2 position got old very quick. It had the tendency of binding if the trigger was squeezed too hard. I sold the RB FRT-15. Even if they released a 3 position, I feel the SS is a better design.

I was a dealer for RareBreed,Alamo and Para15 and when I bought the SS, i sold my Rare Breed,Alamo, and Para 15 because now I can shoot
singles reliable and the second position can do a mag dump, 3rd position is Safe
And then I bought a bunch to resell. They are about $160 shipped and after they get so well known the price will
go up a lot

 

[slimshady]

SCOTUS has already ruled in Cargill that bump stocks are semi auto functioning because the trigger resets for every shot and semi auto firearms are in common use. So are FRTs, the stun gun case determined they were using a relatively low number for common use status. With Bruen you have to show a similar law dating back to the original passing of the 2A, which there isn't. Laws against MGs are less than 100 years old. New ones targeting FRTs are not going to pass muster assuming current precedent is properly applied.

As for shootings with MGs it happens almost every day in places like Chicago and Oakland. The proliferation of "Glock Switches" among urban youth and gangs is high, along with actually using them on each other. So far they seem to be keeping the violence contained to their own neighborhoods where the police shooting of one person is a nationwide call to action while the other double digit ones by their own barely rates a newspaper article.

Until that changes the media is not going to be bringing attention to criminal MG use.

As for pricing, shooters wanting a rapid fire experience will buy these, reducing demand a bit on transferable MGs. Collectors will likely keep prices up though, although the rate of increase might fall some.

 

[amphibian]

Will they plummet, NO!
Will they stay stagnant, maybe but doubt it.
Will they go down in price, I HOPE SO. (this is coming from someone who owns and sp1 m16 auto conversion and paws m16).


The future is looking bright but it can look dark in a bleak of an eye. If someone uses one of these triggers in a mass event*, they’ll be gone in a blink. I could say the same about an MG but they might be a harder to get ride of (still possible). Lastly, I see states banning these before the fed. At least, in the near future I wish I could try one in FL.

+1, wanted to reiterate that rate of fire increasing devices are illegal in FL. FL defers to Federal status on MG's.

 

[Caverpete]

And unfortunately rate of fire increasing devices are also illegal in VA. Right after SCOTUS ruled that bump stocks are SA, our democratic legislature passed a bill outlawing them and anything like them and our conservative guv signed it. States rights will put a damper on any Federal 2A gains.

 

[SecondAmend]

To the best of my knowledge, Kinkade and Ross paintings have never affected the value of Picasso or Monet paintings. And as Marvin Gaye and Tammi Terrell once musically said, "Ain't Nothing Like the Real Thing".

MHO, YMMV, etc.

ETA: Also, in at least some instances, there is a level of personal interest in having an M16 like your grandfather carried in Vietnam or an M4 similar to what you had in the Gulf War.

 

[GreaseGunner]

Florida and Virginia have laws about ROF “drop in” devices being illegal-how did they do it with existing NFA such as Uzi bolts, M16 DIAS and HK Sears/packs?

 

[TSPC]

Florida and Virginia have laws about ROF “drop in” devices being illegal-how did they do it with existing NFA such as Uzi bolts, M16 DIAS and HK Sears/packs?

The Florida law says "to mimic automatic weapon fire" which would exclude actual full auto devices.

 

[GreaseGunner]

That’s what I figured it. All comes down to the wording, but if one wasn’t careful, someone who doesn’t know how the actual gun laws work could roll everything all up as one then everyone gets screwed.

 

[slimshady]

Assuming it gets contested and the courts follow precedent it should get struck down. There are no historical similar laws and there are enough out there they are in common use.

And if "firing too fast" is a crime, Jerry Miculek would have to cut off his trigger fingers to enter the state.

 

[GreaseGunner]

I bought one of the Delta Team 3 position units and tried it out yesterday next to one of my M16’s and there was no difference in the rate of fire or function. For one of the first times in my life I was speechless as to what I was holding in my hands and had just fired. TBH it was down right scary how effective it was in how it worked.

 

[Slowmo]

I bought one of the Delta Team 3 position units and tried it out yesterday next to one of my M16’s and there was no difference in the rate of fire or function. For one of the first times in my life I was speechless as to what I was holding in my hands and had just fired. TBH it was down right scary how effective it was in how it worked.

I’m not familiar with that. Is it more like a FRT or SS in implementation?

 

[GreaseGunner]

It’s one of the FRT units and it’s a 3 position unit-safe, semi, “not an M16”