Who has had their Full-size Uzi converted to a Mini?

[Trenchknife]

Hi,
I know this has been discussed before, but has anyone actually had Vector Arms convert their full-size Uzi to a Mini? If you have, what do you think about the conversion?

Thanks for any information.

Regards,
TK

 

[stymie]

I haven't...

...but it is my understanding that VECTOR discourages the practice!

Apparently, cutting, welding & reheatreating the full-size receiver, makes the end product somewhat brittle.

I've heard that the process, including refinish & test fire is about a grand, but that figure should be confirmed if you decide to take that route.

 

[vinniet]

From what I understand all of the minis that Vector made where from chopped full size receivers. The only problem could be that if they never heat treated them, then chopped them, then did the heat treating for the first time, versus chopping a heat treated receiver and reheat treating it. even then I'm sure that Vector would not do it if they thought it would make a brittle gun.

 

[suka5168]

From what I understand all of the minis that Vector made where from chopped full size receivers.

The Semi minis are surplus real IMI not chopped. RR were GI cut to Minis.
Labor cost to cut & weld a blank FS reciver is about $200 no internals or parts . a complete conversion will be about $1000.
you suppling some of the FS parts.

 

[soflasmg]

I've been kicking it around if I could find a full size rr gun.

I guess it would be impossible to do on an existing vector full size b/c it's been heat treated. I wouldn't want it.

Has the legal question ever been fully resolved re vector's mini fa builds?

 

[carcass]

If they did it right, they could return the steel back to the martensite configuration, do the mods, and then re-heat-treat it. I can't think of why that wouldn't work.

 

[Brian Ski]

If they did it right, they could return the steel back to the martensite configuration, do the mods, and then re-heat-treat it. I can't think of why that wouldn't work.

I think it would work... But I don't think they want to push there luck with another experiment. They would be more than interested on one other then there finished full size... I have mine that they built and it looks awesome for the work they did...

 

[buzzer]

Gee - It's nice to know that the company that chopped a full size to make my $6000 mini discourages the practice !! And that shadowy legal question about the Vector minis possibly being an ATF no no in the same thread.

Oh I wish I had a Fleming conversion IMI mini. I love my Vector, but a chop and re-weld on a receiver bought at auction that was originally made in Kentucky..... Brittle welds, an occasional thread about welds cracking, and whether they are legal at all.

That one really makes me toss and turn. The ATF approved my Form 4. Can they just change their minds and announce that all Vector mini owners need to surrender their guns for destruction !?!?!?!?!?!?!

 

[ANATION]

Why?

Why would they need to surrender their guns? A new machine gun was not created. Nothing in the registry changed. Serial number 12345 that was there in 86 is still there in 05. Also, the mini uzi is in the same family of guns as the full size. Its not like they molted the steel and cast an M16. I think its a forgone conclusion that ATF knows Vector did this and if they were going to say something--I don't know what they would say--they would have done it already.

 

[soflasmg]

Anation makes a lot of sense.

I wouldn't sweat it because if something made them go off the deep end on those guns it might be over for all of us.

Oh, I'm sweating now.

 

[stymie]

The Striker-12, Streetsweeper & USAS-12

reclassification from title 1 shotguns to title 2 destructive devices is a classic case of defacto gun control through the manipulation of semantics.

It was a test of "compliance".

It's not like you need a crystal ball or anything...
but the weight of that decision by Lloyd Bentsen & the AGENDA affects ALL owners of 12ga shotguns.

Afterall... what really constitutes: *sporting*...?

"What me worry!?"

They'll probably go after sniper ...errr scoped deer rifles before they tackle VECTOR MINIs... but you just never know.

2008 should be an interesting year!

 

[Brian Ski]

Gee - It's nice to know that the company that chopped a full size to make my $6000 mini discourages the practice !! And that shadowy legal question about the Vector minis possibly being an ATF no no in the same thread.

Oh I wish I had a Fleming conversion IMI mini. I love my Vector, but a chop and re-weld on a receiver bought at auction that was originally made in Kentucky..... Brittle welds, an occasional thread about welds cracking, and whether they are legal at all.

That one really makes me toss and turn. The ATF approved my Form 4. Can they just change their minds and announce that all Vector mini owners need to surrender their guns for destruction !?!?!?!?!?!?!

The only reason the are discouraging the practice is The ones they made (minis) were welded and then heat treated...The full size were finished and then heat treated...They do not want to take a heat treated reciever... Take the temper out modify it then reheat treat it again... They are not sure what it will do to the metal...

But if you have an IMI that you want to have cut down they don't have a problem with that at all...

 

[Mike Duke]

OK I am doing exactly this.
Chopping my full size Vector. I now have 2 full size Uzi's.
I spoke to Rex at Vector Arms.
Price is $1000
You are NOT making a new machinegun.
You still own Model HR4332 Serial #XXXXXXX
Technicaly it is not a mini.
It is a shortened full size down to Mini specs.
hope this makes sense.
This is from Rex himself.
Afterwards I will have to update my form4 on length of firearm.
It will say Mini Uzi or some shit like that remarked
But
But
But
The model and serial number will be the same.
He did not discourage this at all.
He said he would be happy to do it.
says it works fine also.
This is much easier then selling a fullsize then scraping up $2000
and buying a nib mini.
He says it will be like getting a brand new Mini.
OOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

 

[amphibian]

The legality issues were discussed years ago on subguns.
Once they have made the cuts on the full size it is no longer a MG. Totally inoperable.
The point made was that they are technically "dewatting" the gun then "rewatting" it.
Destroying a MG and then creating a new one. Definitely not legal.
Is it possible that ATF could go after them? - yes.
Is it likely? - EXTREMELY UNLIKELY.

I agree w/ Stymie that it is more likely that they will go after "sniper rifles" first.

 

[nobody]

Everything old is new again

If Hillary and Billery get elected in 2008, your fingernail clippers will be confiscated, unless, of course, you are a person of prominence in the “party”, ex. Diane Finstein and her unregistered concealed carry pistol (she had no CCW permit either), but since she was the Mayor of SF, she was neither arrested, charged, jailed, or even spoken harshly to.

 

[RGRChristian]

Uzi Chop Job

I just posted pics in my add on Subguns of a RR IMI Uzi that Vector cut down. They remarked & powder coated it. I'ts really cool !!!! It looks just like a Vector Mini with IMI markings. I'm so impressed with it that I'm sending them at least one more to get chopped. If you're in southeastern Pa, stop by the shop and take a look at it.

Thanks,
Christian
215-266-7863
Clayton's Hunting & Fishing

 

[Tusk]

The legality issues were discussed years ago on subguns.
Once they have made the cuts on the full size it is no longer a MG. Totally inoperable.
The point made was that they are technically "dewatting" the gun then "rewatting" it.
Destroying a MG and then creating a new one. Definitely not legal.
Is it possible that ATF could go after them? - yes.
Is it likely? - EXTREMELY UNLIKELY.

I'm no lawyer but doesn't the BATFE have specific regs regarding the destruction of an MG? And if these regs aren't followed don't they still consider the gun to be an MG (Cole's UZI kits)? So if the gun is simply cut and remade in a differnet configuration it was never actually NOT an MG and therefore perfectly legal? Seems logical, but of course we're talking about the Government so who's to say.

 

[azdskin]

RGRChristian...

I just looked at the pics of your RR IMI Mini. Very nice ! I have a RR IMI full size inbound to me on a form 3. I am going to send it to Vector for an upgade to 100% MG spec. I have been toying with the idea of having them convert it to a Mini. How did you get a Mini trunion installed? I e-mail Rex about it and he said that they would modify my trunion to allow for the Mini bolt feet. How long did the conversion take?

TIA,
David in Iraq

 

[RGRChristian]

David,
I had some new post sample Mini Uzi parts kits that included the trunion. Vector just used the Mini trunion when they built the gun into a Mini Uzi. The whole thing took about a month ? I MAY have some more Mini parts kits if you need a kit. Vector is running out of Mini parts.

Thanks,
Christian

 

[suka5168]

RGR what typs of Mini parts do you still have, intrested in a few parts.