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pjm204

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While perusing Gunbroker I came across this listing. They're calling these Wilkinson Linda/Terry stocks. As the current owner if Wilkinson, I have not seen these stocks ever so I'm inclined to believe they are for something else.

Anyone have any ideas?

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/940217243
 

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Those were probably from the old 1980s AR7 "dress up kits" made by Fed Ord IIRC. There were two types of stocks built like this, the more common one had a latch and holes along the tube that worked a lot like the CAR15 style stocks. Mitchell made a 50rd teardrop drum to go with these, for those masochists who liked the trigger slap!

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Those were probably from the old 1980s AR7 "dress up kits" made by Fed Ord IIRC. There were two types of stocks built like this, the more common one had a latch and holes along the tube that worked a lot like the CAR15 style stocks. Mitchell made a 50rd teardrop drum to go with these, for those masochists who liked the trigger slap!

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Well you seem to have nailed it! Good work! Do you have any info about the Federal Ordnance connection? I met with Bob Penney years ago and don't remember him mentioning AR7 stuff. The design makes sense since he designed the tubular stock for the M68.
 
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Kind of looks like the one on the Wilkinson M68

https://imgur.com/a/sgBhtl3

I've owned Wilkinson Arms for 7 years now so I was quite confident it was not a Wilkinson part since I had never seen it. Slimshady figured it out and his response makes a lot of sense. Since Bob Penney was one of the founders of Federal Ordnance and J&R engineering that explains the similar stock design between the M68 and this AR7 stock.
 

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Not much info I can recall, just some dim memories of the old ads and catalogs. As I recall there were at least three similar versions of a "dress up kit" that al utilized a pistol grip extending stock and bbl shroud. One was a dual wire affair, think M3 greasegun with a plastic buttpad instead of all metal, it was chrome plated. The other two looked like the one in the OP, but the more common one had a latch on the bottom and used holes in the inner tube to hold the adjustment like an AR15 style carbine stock instead of a collet. RamLine made an extended stick mag and Mitchell had their belt driven teardrop drum for these and 10/22s. I believe Parallax was the main seller of the wire type, IIRC they usually had a 2 page ad inside SOF, SWAT, etc back in the 80s and the AR7 stuff was at least a quarter page. Even sold a "dragonhide" pouch for the Mitchell drum, looked like regular cow skin to me.



Found an ad for the collet one in the box, Morgan Arms of Las Vegas, never heard of them. FedOrd either made a similar one or just sold these, I still recall seeing them in their catalog or ad..

https://www.gunauction.com/buy/10350903



This is the CAR15 style one:

https://www.ar-7.com/AR-7AdjustableStock.html



This is the wire slider, it's marked Mitchell Arms.

https://www.gunauction.com/buy/10493049
 

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Not much info I can recall, just some dim memories of the old ads and catalogs. As I recall there were at least three similar versions of a "dress up kit" that al utilized a pistol grip extending stock and bbl shroud. One was a dual wire affair, think M3 greasegun with a plastic buttpad instead of all metal, it was chrome plated. The other two looked like the one in the OP, but the more common one had a latch on the bottom and used holes in the inner tube to hold the adjustment like an AR15 style carbine stock instead of a collet. RamLine made an extended stick mag and Mitchell had their belt driven teardrop drum for these and 10/22s. I believe Parallax was the main seller of the wire type, IIRC they usually had a 2 page ad inside SOF, SWAT, etc back in the 80s and the AR7 stuff was at least a quarter page. Even sold a "dragonhide" pouch for the Mitchell drum, looked like regular cow skin to me.



Found an ad for the collet one in the box, Morgan Arms of Las Vegas, never heard of them. FedOrd either made a similar one or just sold these, I still recall seeing them in their catalog or ad..

https://www.gunauction.com/buy/10350903



This is the CAR15 style one:

https://www.ar-7.com/AR-7AdjustableStock.html



This is the wire slider, it's marked Mitchell Arms.

https://www.gunauction.com/buy/10493049


Very interesting. I wonder if it's the same Morgan Arms that built the 101C Super 9 which looked like a Wilkinson Terry carbine with a stock mounted upside down and a funky grenade launcher?
 

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Very interesting. I wonder if it's the same Morgan Arms that built the 101C Super 9 which looked like a Wilkinson Terry carbine with a stock mounted upside down and a funky grenade launcher?

Had to look that one up! I recall seeing that magazine cover before, main thing I remembered was the giant Christmas light launcher.
For less lethal I assume they had a version with a rocket propelled boxing glove?

Morgan Arms doesn't ring any bells, unfortunately. Back in the 80s I was just getting interested in guns and was starting the Jerry Ahern Survivalist series. Hey, the AR7 had "survival" in it's name, had to be the best for fighting radioactive mutants in a post apocalyptic wasteland, right? The "dress up kit" obviously made it more effective and cooler looking than the stock version. Only after researching it and discovering the old meaning of "survival" meant as light and small as possible to keep under an airplane seat in case you crashed and had to live off rabbits and squirrels until rescued did I lose interest. They were never built to be shot like an A-Team Mini14 and those 50rd drums had to accelerate it's early demise. That's why I remember the stock kits. I recently did buy the Henry version but it's purpose is in keeping with Stoner's original intent. Stuck in the trunk in case of emergency. One of those old Charter Arms pistol versions would be cool though. Sorta a poor mans broomhandle.
 

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Had to look that one up! I recall seeing that magazine cover before, main thing I remembered was the giant Christmas light launcher.
For less lethal I assume they had a version with a rocket propelled boxing glove?

Morgan Arms doesn't ring any bells, unfortunately. Back in the 80s I was just getting interested in guns and was starting the Jerry Ahern Survivalist series. Hey, the AR7 had "survival" in it's name, had to be the best for fighting radioactive mutants in a post apocalyptic wasteland, right? The "dress up kit" obviously made it more effective and cooler looking than the stock version. Only after researching it and discovering the old meaning of "survival" meant as light and small as possible to keep under an airplane seat in case you crashed and had to live off rabbits and squirrels until rescued did I lose interest. They were never built to be shot like an A-Team Mini14 and those 50rd drums had to accelerate it's early demise. That's why I remember the stock kits. I recently did buy the Henry version but it's purpose is in keeping with Stoner's original intent. Stuck in the trunk in case of emergency. One of those old Charter Arms pistol versions would be cool though. Sorta a poor mans broomhandle.
The Charter Arms Explorer II pistol was used in dressed up form in the "Buck Rogers" (1979) and "Futureworld" movies. They also make the most authentic looking, functional firearm BlasTech DL-44 (aka Han Solo blaster pistol) replica. It would be nice if some company would make them again.
MHO, YMMV, etc.
 

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The pistol is another one of those "when I retire..." projects I have in mind. Only mine will have a steel frame, use a Ruger MKII bolt, and long-lasting FCG components with a disconnector, no more trigger slap! Maybe use that 21 rd mag out of the new SIG .22. Or a CP33 mag!
 

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The pistol is another one of those "when I retire..." projects I have in mind. Only mine will have a steel frame, use a Ruger MKII bolt, and long-lasting FCG components with a disconnector, no more trigger slap! Maybe use that 21 rd mag out of the new SIG .22. Or a CP33 mag!

Yeah, the AR-7 was designed as a survival rifle for the U.S. military. So the design criteria was light, cheap, good - pick two - preferably the first two.
 

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