UZI Pistol Full Auto Conversion

[Piero1177]

Hi out there,
I live in Switzerland and plan to buy (here legally also) a semi-automatic UZI pistol for a very good price.
At least for testing it once or so I want to convert it to full-auto, a friend of mine told me that this should be possible very easy.
So does anybody know if there is a way to convert the gun without installing a new bolt and a full-auto grip assembly?
I know that there are many books to this topic in the U.S., but I'm not sure whether it's necessary to buy one - maybe anybody here can help me??
It's only that I'm really interested in firing full-auto once, maybe 3 Mags (and to change it back to semi-auto then - I don't want to do any harm to the gun)

Thank you all in advance,
best regards
Piero

 

[dustindu4]

So does anybody know if there is a way to convert the gun without installing a new bolt and a full-auto grip assembly?

not possible

you would have to replace the grip with an auto one and use a spare bolt to modify it (cut the slot). I don't know much about the micro though.

 

[RoverDave]

Piero, welcome to UZI Talk. Glad you joined us. Tell us a little bit about the gun situation in Switzerland. And tell us a little bit about the interest level in UZIs over there.

As for your pistol conversion, we do not encourage or help people do illegal conversions. The conversion you mentioned would be illegal in the US unless performed by a licensed class II manufacturer. I suspect that what you want to do is illegal there as well. I can fully appreciate your desire to try out a full auto Micro UZI and I know that you said it would just be for a quick test, but full auto guns are like sex - you can never have enough. I'd hate to see that one test get you into any trouble.

Are there legal ways for you to experience a full auto UZI? Any place where you could rent something just for the fun of it?

 

[Piero1177]

Hi RoverDave,

thanks for your reply.
Gun situation in Switzerland:
In Switzerland you are able to buy a gun (including semi-automatic guns like AKs, UZIs, MP5, etc.) when you have the age of 18 and haven't been in conflict with law (so I want to say when you aren't a criminal). When you buy from a shop it's a little bit more complicated than when you buy from a private person. For making a deal with a private person you only have to fill out a contract (after new weapon-law, in the past (former weapon-law)you haven't even need to do this) between both persons, with their identities on it and have to keep this contract for at least 10 years. When buying from a shop you need a weapons license what is like I said a little bit more complicated, but no problem at all.
Sorry, I haven't known that converting a weapon to full auto is illegal in the U.S.! Whenever I looked for the topic full auto conversion in search engines like google.com I saw several stores in the U.S. selling conversion manuals.(That's why I thought it's not illegal).
In Switzerland you generally have to register a full-auto gun seperately, but when trying it maybe once or so noone would care, and I suppose that the possibility exists for registering this full-auto conversion after having it made. It's only important that you go tho a special shooting-site and don't shot for example in the forest or so.
And I was generally interested how such changes might technically take place...
But I don't want to do something illegalin an U.S. forum and when you have to do this you might delete my posting.

 

[Brkdnc]

Piero1177, Just a quick note, I have shot a reg. F/A open bolt UZI Pistol it is very uncontrollable and the conversion is not all that easy from what I saw that they had to do to the Bolt (welding, grinding, and pinning) you could never change the bolt back to a Semi version.

 

[RoverDave]

Piero, no need to delete this thread. A lot of people (including people in the US) don't really know what you can and can't do with a machine gun. There's nothing illegal about asking. The conversion manuals that you mentioned are legal - freedom of speech you know! However, it's currently illegal for anyone in the US other than a licensed machine gun manufacturer to actually perform the work described in the manuals. It's the policy of the staff here at UZI Talk not to provide any information to people doing an illegal conversion. There is a lot of talk around here about conversions, but that is in reference to conversions that were legally done before 1986.

It sounds like you have less restrictive laws in Switzerland than we do regarding the manufacture of new machine guns. Hopefully that will give you the opportunity to find a converted UZI to try out.

 

[moo-cow]

The Swiss gun laws are generally less restrictive. It is also one of the safest places to live in the world. Zurich has been named "The World's Best City" in the annual survey of 215 cities by Mercer Human Resources Consulting. Coincidence??

Below Article by Stephen P. Halbrook:

"The Swiss: Dull but safe"

In 1994, when the U.S. Congress debated whether to ban "assault weapons," a talk show host asked then-Senator Bill Bradley (NJ), a sponsor of the ban, whether guns cause crime. The host noted that, in Switzerland, all males are issued assault rifles for militia service and keep them at home, yet little crime exists there. Sen. Bradley responded that the Swiss "are pretty dull."
For those who think that target shooting is more fun than golf, however, Switzerland is anything but "dull." By car or train, you see shooting ranges everywhere, but few golf courses. If there is a Schuetzenfest (shooting festival) in town, you will find rifles slung on hat racks in restaurants, and you will encounter men and women, old and young, walking, biking and taking the tram with rifles over their shoulders, to and from the range. They stroll right past the police station and no one bats an eye. (Try this in the U.S., and a SWAT team might do you in.)

Shooting is the national sport, and the backbone of the national defense as well. More per-capita firepower exists in Switzerland than in any other place in the world, yet it is one of the safest places to be.

According to the U.N. International Study on Firearm Regulation, England's 1994 homicide rate was 1.4 (9% involving firearms), and the robbery rate 116, per 100,000 population. In the United States, the homicide rate was 9.0 (70% involving firearms), and the robbery rate 234, per 100,000.

[But] Switzerland, which is awash in guns...has substantially lower murder and robbery rates than England, where most guns are banned.

Here are the figures: The Swiss Federal Police Office reports that in 1997 there were 87 intentional homicides and 102 attempted homicides in the entire country. Some 91 of these 189 murders and attempts involved firearms. With its population of seven million (including 1.2 million foreigners), Switzerland had a homicide rate of 1.2 per 100,000. There were 2,498 robberies (and attempted robberies), of which 546 involved firearms, resulting in a robbery rate of 36 per 100,000. Almost half of these crimes were committed by non-resident foreigners, whom locals call "criminal tourists."

-- Stephen P. Halbrook, The Wall Street Journal (Europe), June 4, 1999

The anti-gunners do not like to think about that, nor do they want us to...

 

[KarlPMann]

Just a note for all. I have a friend that holds dual citizenship in the US and Switzerland. He spends 6 months a year here in Northern Colorado and the other 6 in Switzerland. He's the person that brought me those 9x21 barrels from Italy. What Piero1177 says, is true. He can legally make his UZI FA there. Just a matter of registering it like he says. Karl.

 

[Piero1177]

Thanks KarlPMann for your aid!
Yeah, the whole Full-Auto thing is really interesting me; on the one hand like I said for testing it once on the other hand for information purposes because I'm actually on the way to get studiied engineer and so it's very interesting to me from the technical aspect, too.
By the way: Does anyone have UZI pistol/Micro UZI blueprints to download or to send to me via e-mail so that I can see the particular differences between the two guns?
Thanks in advance...!

 

[KarlPMann]

Try here http://www.uzitalk.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=408 It's everything we have in the way of drawings. Karl.

 

[Piero1177]

Ok,
as I have now looked at the blueprints I see that there is a full auto closed bolt micro uzi ?! Because my friend seems to have a closed-bolt, too, but that is the UZI pistol then.
So it's then theoretically possible to convert the semi auto uzi pistol (closed bolt) to a full auto smg (closed bolt)?

 

[Paul556]

It is theoreticly posible. I know more about full size and mini Uzi SMG's. From what has been said here I would advise you pick a different host gun to do your convertion. Considering the high rate of fire on the micro and pistol conversions I think you would be better off doing a mini if you really want a compact size and full size if you want a very versitle and controlable gun. Because you have to register it as an SMG you might as well leave it like that. Buy one of the manuals you saw. They will help you understand what is involved. You can also glean some info in the Uzi Talk Reference Library by studying the parts. Like people said most conversions are irreversable, so you might as well just register it and enjoy it. If you want semi-auto just set the sellector on semi and there you are. If you really just want to give it a try come on over to the USA on you next vacation and we will make sure you have a blast. Good luck.



Edited because they put the keys on my keyboard so close together.

 

[Paul556]

:roflmao Can I steal that one? Karl.

Sure Karl. Anything for you. Glad I could tickle your funny bone.