The New FNC

[okpud]

When I saw the ad on their website, I didn't think it looked like it had much in common with a FN FNC, upper or lower, and it made no mention of being able to install a S&H sear.... If fact, the ad stated that select fire versions were avalible to law enforcement and NFA dealers only. Hence my comments about jumping to conclusions, which seems to be the very definition of what happened.

 

[bubbaguns]

I must be blind. I can't find it on Flemming's website.

 

[Quake Guy]

cross posted from subguns:

 

[DOHCTR]

Anyone heard anything else?

 

[StormWerkz]

It is just a "billet" receiver Ar-15, nothing to see here.

 

[RM308]

cross posted from subguns:

It's an "FNC" because its a Fleming Nato Carbine.

It looks like a AR15. I think that's what it is

 

[Travarmy]

OK guys....from what I was told by FF was the upper was classified as the receiver and they could install a registered sear into the lower for FA fire. See email insert:

Could you provide me dealer cost on one of these?

I have a transferable sear and wondering your cost to install into your FNC?

Thanks,

Travis

Travis

At this time we are having a sale on them $2950. If you send me a copy of your FFL I'll send you pricing info. It will cost $500 to install your sear.

Thanks
Wade

"Happiness is a Warm Machine Gun"

Based on this info I notified this site. No I did not have a copy of a letter, but ASSUMED per above email and website they had all the authorizations needed.

 

[quasi]

You can bet Fleming is sitting a pile of sears that need to be sold...
I agree with JoshNC - Creating an upper as a rifle is just bad mojo imho.
Giving the BATF ideas on how to stem the sales of shorty AR uppers etc. making them instant SBRs will be the end result of selling a few sears.
Honestly, why would you want to put a sear in an inferior rifle design anyway? The FNC is to me, superior in every way, other than spares.

 

[LawBob]

My concern is over ATF ruling 2008-1 (posted earlier). In short, if it is similar to the FNC, it can't be called a FNC. Also, if it is not a FNC type rifle, you can't install a S&H FNC sear into it w/o creating a post-sample.

Basically, if they can legally name it "FNC", then they are also stating it is not similar to the FN FNC which, by definition, would preclude a S&H sear from being installed in it w/o creating a post-sample.

Believe me, I want to be wrong on this, which is why I'd love to see some more info from Fleming.

Why can't you just make an FNC clone, like I put my HK Sear in my HK clone

 

[okpud]

Why can't you just make an FNC clone, like I put my HK Sear in my HK clone

In theory, any manufacturer could. It would require you to design a prototype and send it to the Technology Branch for classification. Once they classified it as a FNC clone not readily convertible to a machine gun (otherwise it would be classified as a Title II firearm all on its own), then you could submit to have them "bless it" to be used for legal conversion using a registered S&H sear. They will specifically deny to classify it for a theoritical design that doesn't exist yet for testing (that's already been tried).

HK sears and AR-15 DIASes are considered drop in conversion devices, and as such are allowed to be used with a family of firearm hosts. As long as they stay in the family, you are good. There have been whole hosts of denial letters to use HK or AR-15 sears outside of their firearms family. S&H sears require physical modification to the host firearms components in order to be installed, and as such it is not considered to be a drop in conversion part. S&H FNC sears are presently only allowed to be used in FN FNC, as that was the sole firearm they were designed to convert. To use them in any other firearm (legally) requires the ATF to approve them for use in your design.

 

[DOHCTR]

Why can't you just make an FNC clone, like I put my HK Sear in my HK clone

The ATF has taken the position via numerous tech branch letters denying any "host creativity" that an FNC Sear will only be installed into an FNC. They have further taken the position via rule 2008-1 that only Belgian made FN FNC's can be called "FNC"s and that any future Domestic Clones must be called something else. I am less than optimistic about this gun now. I sent another email to Fleming a while back and they have not responded about the firearm.

 

[snaakedoc]

Does anyone know where I can find an FNC transferable sear.

 

[jimdet]

FNC Sear

I have not seen an FNC Sear anywhere for sale in the past year. The last one I saw sold was TBA Suppressors had one on their website for $5500. I believe that included installation. The last time I looked they were out of them also. I was hoping to pick another one up myself but I think I waited too long.

 

[willbdavis]

Yup. Crickets for the last year. I have trouble believing there aren't more out there somewhere just sitting in someone's safe. Wishful thinking probably.

 

[xm15e2s]

ORFs stash of more than 300 sears have yet to be accounted for after his death. They were once held by investors in his failed FNC project.

Many sears are out there. Id like to know who is sitting on the ORF stash. I would guess a few of them showed up a while back when someone(1 person) sold 10 or more.

 

[jimdet]

FNC SEARS

I don't know what makes you think Ohio Rapid Fire still has the original sears. After their project failed I'm pretty sure most of those sears ended up on the open market. Anyone crazy enough to be sitting on those sears today at current prices would be foolish not to sell them. With all the politics concerning assault rifles today you never know what the ATF might do to outlaw them.

 

[xm15e2s]

No ORF doesnt have the sears the investors may have them. They never surfaced yet IMO. As a practice I check most all NFA market boards 2-3 time per day and FNC sears are mainly 1 here and there with nothing indicating 300 being fed slowly into the market over many years.

 

[dvader]

Yep, my guess is there was still some legal wrangling going on with the FNC project investors when Todd passed. Now, legal wrangling may go on for years.

 

[jimdet]

FNC Sears

I guess you could be right. It's possible someone is holding the sears with the hope that someday ATF will change it's policy on limiting them for FNC's. But as a rational person I can't see that ever happening. You must realize ATF is not consumer friendly. Their purpose is to do whatever they can to limit your access to title II weapons. Their allegiance is to our Orwellian Government, not us. The only way we will see policy change from ATF is if it puts money in someone's pockets there.

 

[Quake Guy]

I guess we can finally put to rest the myth that there are more sears than guns...

There has to be at least several hundred out there, where who knows. I wonder how many have been thrown out by accident when some old timer dies and the heirs find this funny shaped piece of metal and chuck it in the trash.