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Interesting thread; I'm getting my arms around it. Having the option to adapt an AR style upper to the NFA 'M' lower is potentially a game changer. CB, delayed blowback capability...equally interesting. Just an opinion from a one time Fleming HK sear owner - I expect it’s only a matter of time (and continued innovation/persistence) that this piece of kit or version thereof will eventually go into production.
Going into production is the plan. The next step is submission to the ATF. If they determine that the Tenko adapter is not a firearm, nor is it a machinegun, then start production, and start offering to those already on the list. Once production is established, then start development of the Tenko 11-16.

Having both the closed and open bolt versions of the Tenko should allow the use of any commercially available upper for the M16, to include rotary delayed SD, open or closed belt fed, or AM15 (American 180 based .22lr) uppers. Fingers crossed.

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Well, here we are a year later. Sadly I have nothing new to report accept the Tech Branch has had two of my M10s (one configured as a closed bolt 9mm rotary delayed blowback and the other configured as an open bolt 5.56X45 using commercially available AR uppers) since May. We are patiently waiting for our determinations. The the two adapters are configured such that both uppers will run with both of the submitted M10 Tenko adapted lowers. We have asked that both of the submissions be evaluated with both caliber uppers. If both are approved, we have asked to be allowed to use standard off the shelf commercially available uppers with either configuration. The reason being that it would be incredibly time consuming for both A&S Conversions to ship each of the commercially available upper configurations to ATF. It would also be very time consuming and expensive for ATF to evaluate every one of the possible upper receiver configurations commercially available. I am sorry that I don’t have any further information. We have not given up and I certainly don’t want to poke the bear about this. Happy New Year to all.

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Ya know I opened the thread and saw Dec 29th and though it was just a few days ago.
After reading a few sentences I was familiar with it then looked @ the year.
Geeze!

I find it very disturbing how many of us have to donate to Pro gun Orgs & attorneys to preserve the only right that has a sentence in it that says word for word " shall not be infringed "

I wanted to type other stuff but no matter how I worded it it came out with a stronger political tone.
So I'll just leave it at that to keep the thread from getting locked.

Best of luck with the process or what should be the final days of it.

My wallet is gonna file rape charges from all the cool stuff coming to market in 2025.

Happy New Year UT!
 

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Rock on Scott!! It's always great to see more innovation taking place for such an old platform. Is the difference between the Tenko and the Lage variant is that this one is just an adapter for any available AR upper whilst the Lage platform is just their own proprietary upper? Am I missing anything else?
 

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Yes, the Tenko is an adapter, not an upper. The adapter lets are AR15/M16 upper be used on the Mac. caliber changes are as easy as a 2 pins.


The Lage Max15 is an upper. Caliber changes require a barrel swap and maybe bolt too.
 

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He hit the nail on the head. Basically the Tenko 10-16 is an adapter. With the adapter a M10 lower has the functionality of a M16 lower receiver. There is a slight modification of the M10 required. Because of the open bolt semi auto guns, to install the Tenko adapter, the semi auto trip must be removed from the fire control. That way the full auto adapter function can’t be installed on a semi auto pistol. As part of the Tenko adapter kit, we will include an Eliminator selector pin from Mac Machine Guns macmachineguns.com that will replace the selector pin that holds the sear and semi auto trip.

The Tenko adapter has a feature that allows semi or full auto function of the AR upper receiver. The Tenko adapter can be removed but with the Eliminator installed, the M10 will only have full auto functionality with factory open bolt uppers. The factory open bolt selector and semi auto trip could be reinstalled with removal of the Tenko adapter, if semi auto factory style uppers are desired. We needed a way to block the use of the Tenko adapter on an open bolt semi. Since the sear and semi auto trip are welded into the semi auto open bolt pistol lower receiver, designing the Tenko adapter to use the space that normally has the semi auto trip would require the semi auto pistol lower receiver to be modified to full auto specs.

There are several threads about the Tenko adapter. This has been a multi year journey. Hopefully this is the start of a new chapter. Time will tell. Thank you all so very much for your support. If anyone has further questions, please post and I’ll answer them as best as I can. Until we have a positive determination, we can’t go into how the function of the adapter works.

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Interesting thread; I'm getting my arms around it. Having the option to adapt an AR style upper to the NFA 'M' lower is potentially a game changer. CB, delayed blowback capability...equally interesting. Just an opinion from a one time Fleming HK sear owner - I expect it’s only a matter of time (and continued innovation/persistence) that this piece of kit or version thereof will eventually go into production.
In rereading this thread it reminded me of where the idea originated. I to am a one time owner of a Fleming HK sear. I have an extensive collection of host guns, most of which are configurations that HK never made. I had been thinking about how to adapt the AK47 mechanism to the roller locked receiver. I had just transferred a M10 from “Vegas SMG”. While pulling out an AK and a PTR 91 receiver, I noticed that the AK receiver and the M10 upper had a similar size. It got me instead thinking about the AK mechanism adapted to the M10. I tried and failed. I just don’t have the skills. I tried multiple gun smiths. No one wanted to take on the project.

We moved back from Las Vegas to Southern New Hampshire. There is a local machine shop that had made the parts for my AR water cooled 20” upper. He said that it was too complicated for him, but he knew a retired engineer that did work on the side.

In talking with him, I told him that I would like to adapt the AK, HK 9 series, and the AR mechanisms to the Mac style series of firearms. In doing research of the mechanisms, the AR lent itself to being 3D printed. So we worked on building a proof of concept using the AR mechanism. I spent almost $5,000 on the engineering, manufacturing and submission of that proof of concept.

As the cost of transferable machine guns rises, certainly this adaptation will become more and more cost effective. Super Safeties and forced reset triggers might slow the growth of transferable machine guns, but I don’t think that they will replace transferables. Just thought I’d share that.

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I’ve been meaning to ask, how much does the Tenko adapter + MAC receiver weigh?
 

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Dam, I don’t remember. Do you want the weight of the adapter, the weight of the complete system? Of course, there is big difference between a belt fed setup with a 200 round belt and a 5.5” 9mm RDB with a 30 round mag. I will need to pull some parts out and weigh them.

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Dam, I don’t remember. Do you want the weight of the adapter, the weight of the complete system? Of course, there is big difference between a belt fed setup with a 200 round belt and a 5.5” 9mm RDB with a 30 round mag. I will need to pull some parts out and weigh them.

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Whatever is easiest for you would be helpful. I’m mostly hoping to get an idea of what the weight difference would be compared to an AR/M16 lower (e.g. a Tenko M4 setup might weight X whereas the same setup on a AR/M16 lower weighs Y).
 

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