Suggestions for my first Destructive Device. The kind with a trigger.

[thelastdinosaurs.com]

I'm looking for suggestions for my first Destructive Device. The kind with a trigger as Indiana law bans the explosive kind. I'm looking for something that can be shot often, but nothing that uses shotgun shells. I was thinking something like this M-79 except in 40mm. http://www.americanspecialtyammo.com/37mm-launchers.html If I go 40mm I plan to use beehives most of the time. But then again there are the 20mm or 30mm options also. This is the last NFA category I'm missing.

 

[rchaisch]

You could go M203 or Street Sweeper.

 

[sniperdoc]

105 mm howitzer!

 

[wrongrecroom]

What does your state allow ? And how much money you want to spend ?

I like 40mm myslef ..Compact enough to fit in most homes unlike say a cannon ..Ammo can be tricky to find at times but at least for the training ammo it is around ..And it is pretty easy to roll your own ....Catch and catch can for other pre loaded stuff though


A 20mm or 40mm would also be great but pricer and 40mm you will pro need to learn to load it

 

[Mackjack]

I always thought a 20mm lahti anti tank gun was cool. And not insanely expensive

 

[thelastdinosaurs.com]

I've considered the 20mm, unfortunately ammo seems hard to find. Most 20mm 20x102 I find seems to be for the Vulcan. Lahti takes 20x138B. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/765095373 I also looked at the the M203 but the only single shot I would consider is a M-79. But like I said 40mm HE are banned in Indiana.

 

[Hey...]

Too bad you couldn't register the spoon on a flashbang. Reusable fun.

 

[sniperdoc]

Too bad you couldn't register the spoon on a flashbang. Reusable fun.

Great idea,but the pin would be better; you don't have to look for it after throwing the grenade

 

[root]

I always thought a 20mm lahti anti tank gun was cool. And not insanely expensive

We have a board member with a Lathi.
And there is a guy on Grog's that did in fact get BATFE approval for the engraving on the spoon for a live grenade.

The Lathi isn't as bad as some would think you just turn the vulcans down 8k I think, I forget now.

I went with a RV-85 and a F1 for my 1st DD it's meant to punch bullet proof glass on the 2nd story window of a building.
Kicks about as much a a 3 1/2 inch 12 gauge magnum.
Bad part about the RV-85 is now they are pushing about 1000.00 compared to the 250 when they hit the market.
It is still one of the cheaper DD;s on the market and Grog's has a ton of reloading info on them as that's the only way to shoot it in the DD class is to reload.
There are only 2500 in the USA so they are somewhat of a collectible too.
If you can find one there is no paperwork for them as they were/are sold as a flare launcher. You'll need to do the F1 paperwork yourself.
That was one of BATFE's requirements for importation no ammo was to be imported other then flares and smoke.

Just something to think about.
I know a few of us over there registered them and shoot all kinds of stuff out of them.
I shoot Flechette's, steel mouse balls, and a few other things that are DD only but just bad ass like thermite.
I love mine.

You can get reloadable hulls for them new also if you don't have a lathe to make your own.

Rich

 

[Kramer]

I always thought a 20mm lahti anti tank gun was cool.

Of course they are cool. Not that many around in 20mm either.

1906 made, a few hundred lost during the war.

999 imported by Interarms from Finland. of those...

Maybe 500 are 20mm and DD...

the rest are either: 50BMG converted, dewats, de-milled, confiscated and destroyed.

 

[thelastdinosaurs.com]

We have a board member with a Lathi.
And there is a guy on Grog's that did in fact get BATFE approval for the engraving on the spoon for a live grenade.

The Lathi isn't as bad as some would think you just turn the vulcans down 8k I think, I forget now.

I went with a RV-85 and a F1 for my 1st DD it's meant to punch bullet proof glass on the 2nd story window of a building.
Kicks about as much a a 3 1/2 inch 12 gauge magnum.
Bad part about the RV-85 is now they are pushing about 1000.00 compared to the 250 when they hit the market.
It is still one of the cheaper DD;s on the market and Grog's has a ton of reloading info on them as that's the only way to shoot it in the DD class is to reload.
There are only 2500 in the USA so they are somewhat of a collectible too.
If you can find one there is no paperwork for them as they were/are sold as a flare launcher. You'll need to do the F1 paperwork yourself.
That was one of BATFE's requirements for importation no ammo was to be imported other then flares and smoke.

Just something to think about.
I know a few of us over there registered them and shoot all kinds of stuff out of them.
I shoot Flechette's, steel mouse balls, and a few other things that are DD only but just bad ass like thermite.
I love mine.

You can get reloadable hulls for them new also if you don't have a lathe to make your own.

Rich

I'm looking at this https://www.rkguns.com/rga-86-polish-15-shot-26-5mm-rotary-flare-launcher.html but I don't know if it will have a strong enough action to handle live projectiles. Such as flechettes and buck shot. Probably not as strong as a RV-85.

 

[wrongrecroom]

I'm looking at this https://www.rkguns.com/rga-86-polish-15-shot-26-5mm-rotary-flare-launcher.html but I don't know if it will have a strong enough action to handle live projectiles. Such as flechettes and buck shot. Probably not as strong as a RV-85.

IMop a better is to get say one of the many many 37mm laucher out there ..There is DD ammo for them ( non lethal etc ) and easy to load cases

That gun was made for Riot control tear etc but again would be tricky


Have you though about getting a Anizo or like 14.5mm and 20mm ?

Really I would look around and see what local dealers are DD maker and suppliers and see what they think ..My local sop is a DD maker ( he sells cannons and 40mm etc ) ..Frankly that is what I would do ask them what they would and would not get ..Like mine would tell you dont buy x cause the only ammo you can find will take your head off half the time ( speaking here of some of the rocket laucher stuff)


DD are funny and tricky ..Ammo for most is pricy or hand load only ....At least with 40mm and 37mm you can roll your own cheep ..And use 26.5mm flares etc in it ...

 

[root]

I'm looking at this https://www.rkguns.com/rga-86-polish-15-shot-26-5mm-rotary-flare-launcher.html but I don't know if it will have a strong enough action to handle live projectiles. Such as flechettes and buck shot. Probably not as strong as a RV-85.

I saw those when they 1st hit the market.
That is probably the only site with any in sock other then GB.

No idea on the integrity as to what type of pressure they can stand.
Big consideration when launching things in the 26 through 40mm category though.
I blow up my RV there are things to worry more about then the gun ( like where the rest of me went from the waste up) they are that over built.

Best I could recommend would be to try to find out what they are made of and see if there is a "proofing" they do with them like BRNO or other gun makers do.
IE: has it been proof loaded and shot with 3x the recommended power load?

For a DD that shoots anything hard and heavy I'd shy away from anything made from or with aluminum.
Not saying it is but other then the pix on the net I've done no research on those.

That's one thing to consider. that and that thing looks really heavy even empty.

That said I'd like one just to have they look cool.

Rich

 

[Super Dak©]

M-79 or M-203. I went M-203, and while HE rounds aren't an option, there are plenty of adapters (12g, 26.5mm (smoke & flare), 22LR bee-hive, 4x.410 hornets nest, etc) and reloadable/load-your-own. Practice chalk rds are $6 and up, but reloadable are cheaper to fire (aside from initial purchase). My standard load is a combo of 36 each #4 shot and 14 each 0 buck (50 pellets). I also load flechette rounds.
But I guess it also depends on how much you want to spend on the DD, and how much you want to spend to shoot it (and how much room you have to store it JMHO

 

[jt526]

I went with an lmt m203 on a stand-alone lmt stock, lots of fun.

 

[Fishman]

I know it comes with additional storage and licensing requirements, but how practical is owning (and using) 40mm HE? Can they be reloaded without a new stamp each time?

 

[MPA guy]

I always heard the answer to that question is "No, not without a new tax stamp", but I would like to know the answer to that myself from someone a lot more knowlegable about DD's than myself so don't get discouraged by my reply because it's not meant to be a definitive answer.