Sad M10

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What an abortion looks like.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1062451643

 

[StenAtopia]

That looks illegal to sell imho. Looks like the Orginal serial number was “Obliterated”, then someone remarked it. Thats a NO-NO!!!!

 

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I don’t think you’re able to retrace existing numbers if they get light from refinishing the gun, much less THAT.

 

[Landric]

Auction has now ended. Perhaps the seller figured out that probably isn’t actually a legal transferable.

 

[LawBob]

A laser engraver told me that there’s nothing wrong with adding the SN in another location, but guidance from atf was that you probably cannot alter the existing one, even though he could exactly go over the existing one to deepen it, they said that might be considered “altering” it.

My sn is light and with 2-3 remarks prob fades away. I thought about laser engraving on the underside in front of the trigger an additional sn

If you need laser engraving:

IdentMarking.com

 

[LawBob]

Looks like he took some metal engraving stamps And hammered the number in. After he filed the old numbers off.

 

[Juggar]

Seller or whomever it was screwed themselves out of a $10k gun lol some SOT FFLs would possible reject transfering that, looks very suspect.

 

[Grant435]

Could have cerakoted it and engraved the serial numbers in before listing it like this. Probably would have been better idea

 

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If he was outlaw minded he could’ve found another matching flat (they are out there) and had the proper font serial engraved/lasered and had a better result.

Kinda like Colt did when they recycled old serials with the Keosayian M16s.

 

[Kramer]

It's possible that it was stolen and recovered. The serial was fudged by thieves, and it was re-stamped.

 

[LawBob]

They used hammer stamp to engrave. Looked bad.

He could have filed it down, then beadblasted it all over, stamped it w smaller font, and re parked it.

Right now the only way to save it is (to get batfe approval of some sort and)

weld the old stamp. Files/sand it. Bead blast the whole thing. Engrave. And park it.

That’s likely illegal.

 

[AdamsAutomatics]

Even on the amnesty registered guns that had serials defaced I believe they have an IRS number. This looks scary.

 

[Gaujo]

That looks illegal to sell imho. Looks like the Orginal serial number was “Obliterated”, then someone remarked it. Thats a NO-NO!!!!

Depends what's on the form. If it says MAC and looks like that, no go. If it says "Joe Bob's Garage" should be ok. Guessing it says Military Armament corporation and it is indeed an issue.

 

[Gaujo]

It's possible that it was stolen and recovered. The serial was fudged by thieves, and it was re-stamped.

Good theory. I wonder how it would have been recovered and verified in such a case. I don't think you could truly verify without having also stamped the upper secretly or inside the magwell (that's a good idea if it were possible), but if you could prove it was the gun, I wonder if ATF would approve this.

 

[Jtm35a2]

I asked for a copy of the approved atf marking variance, auction was ended shortly thereafter

 

[Kramer]

Good theory. I wonder how it would have been recovered and verified in such a case. I don't think you could truly verify without having also stamped the upper secretly or inside the magwell (that's a good idea if it were possible), but if you could prove it was the gun, I wonder if ATF would approve this.

It's possible that the gun was found and linked to the robbery by fingerprints or it was with other stuff from the robbery.

 

[har1340]

I would be wearing gloves as well. 🕵️‍♀️

 

[A&S Conversions]

Since a M10 registered receiver machine gun, I would think that the any law enforcement agency would have involved the ATF. So if the receiver had been stolen and returned to the owner. If so, I would think that there would be paperwork. There just seems like there is more to the story than what has been posted.

Let’s face it, the majority of what makes transferable machine guns valuable is the paperwork from the ATF stating that it is legal for the person or entity on the paperwork to possess.

The miner part of market value of a transferable machine gun is condition. Hand stamped serial number and grinder marks in the original serial number is not original condition. With the paperwork referenced above then the market value would have a minimal effect on market value. Without such paperwork, there would be a huge effect on market value. I would think that once upon a time, there is a transferable M10 with the serial number shown in the ad. But without the ATF being looped in as to the condition shown in the GB ad, the vast majority of M10 transferable buyers would have very little interest in the M10 we are discussing.

With transferable machine guns slowly disappearing, I hope that the owner of the gun we have been discussing, could get the condition issue pictured squared up with the ATF.

Scott

 

[renovate7]

It couldn't have been a semi converted before 1986?

 

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It couldn't have been a semi converted before 1986?

That’s a MAC Powder Springs era formatted serial and the upper is Powder Springs as well.