Questions: Pre-ban Semi-auto Model A Uzi in 9mm

[C-4]

I own some AR's and AK's. I don't know what it is, but I've been fixated on getting an Uzi. This goes back years. I've read through a lot of info including the links on the home page here. I've only had a chance to shoot an Uzi on two occasions (semi). I'm looking at a Pre-ban semi-auto Model A in 9mm. The price is reasonable for what they are going for, but I have a few questions:

1) I understand that the 10" barrel goes better with the Model A sights because this is what the 'original' SMG used. Is it common for most people to register the gun as a SBR and use the shorter barrel? Are the barrels themselves easy to get?

2) Is there any significant difference in quality between a Model A and a Model B, especially if I do #1? I've read through the differences, but I just want to make sure I'm not missing something.

Though I can legally purchase firearms, I am still months away from getting a Green Card. Even in NH, I don't think that I'll get the CLEO to sign off on a full-auto Uzi as a non-citizen. That is why I'm going for the semi-auto (The few extra thousand dollars is also an impediment!). I think I'll have better luck on registering a SBR. If not, it can wait.

When you're trying to learn about a new firearm, it's like drinking from a firehydrant. Any ideas/comments welcome.

 

[RoverDave]

So you've been fixated on getting an UZI... We can't understand that feeling! Here are some answers:

#1: I would say that most people who buy semi auto UZI's do not SBR them. I suppose there are a number of reasons. They might be afraid of the paperwork. They might not want to pay the $200. You also have to stamp the gun with your name and address as part of the SBR process and some people don't like that. However, some people go ahead because they want the real UZI look. (I'm considering SBR'ing one of my semi autos - a non-UZI gun.) I guess I'd say that if you do it you should plan on keeping it. It's hard to get your money back on a semi when you pay the extra $200 a crack for transfers. Plus having your name stamped on the gun makes it harder to sell.

As for a barrel, you can either cut down a semi barrel or buy an SMG barrel and trim down the barrel in the appropriate places to match your semi barrel. (Two trunion rings and the chamber area.) SMG barrels are cheap. If you know someone that can turn the barrel down for you it's a good way to go.

#2: There's no quality difference between the Model A and Model B. Either one makes a great gun, whether you SBR it or not.

Let us know what you do and keep asking questions.

 

[davidl]

i would opt for after market barrel, as per last three digets of ser. no. would disappear, when cut down. reducing value,as a unit.

 

[HK Shooter]

Check with ATF

You might want to give the ATF a call. I am not sure they will approve any NFA forms (Form 4/SBR) for non-citizens. Let us know what they say.

 

[Brian Ski]

Re: Check with ATF

You might want to give the ATF a call. I am not sure they will approve any NFA forms (Form 4/SBR) for non-citizens. Let us know what they say.

Don't think they would. Because you need a citizenship form. Those are prefilled out with US. At least the ones I have seen.

 

[RoverDave]

Re: Re: Check with ATF

Don't think they would. Because you need a citizenship form. Those are prefilled out with US. At least the ones I have seen.

I think that's just danbrew's on-line form that's prefilled out for the US. I don't think the actual ATF form is that way.

 

[C-4]

On the ATF transfer form (Form 4), it only asks if you are an 'alien illegally or unlawfully in the US'. But I think the bigger hurdle would be the CLEO signature.

According to UPS, my semi-auto Uzi Model A with 16" barrel is arriving at my FFL tomorrow. If all goes well, I'll be putting her through her paces this weekend. This is the first Uzi I've owned and I'm very excited about it. Thanks for all the replies!

 

[RoverDave]

Have fun with it C-4. Show us some pictures!

 

[HK Shooter]

NFA for Resident Alien?

The reason I suggested the call is that I called the ATF about a suppressor and I got two different answers. I realize the form 4 does not specify this similar to the yellow form, but I would not want to spend the $200 and all the paperwork just to be denied by the AFT because they did a little further checking. I would just like to know the law about this and the official AFT position. If any resident alien (green card) has ever been approved/denied let us know. Just because you can buy a gun does not mean they let you play with a NFA item....
Thanks,

 

[C-4]

Re: NFA for Resident Alien?

The reason I suggested the call is that I called the ATF about a suppressor and I got two different answers. I realize the form 4 does not specify this similar to the yellow form, but I would not want to spend the $200 and all the paperwork just to be denied by the AFT because they did a little further checking. I would just like to know the law about this and the official AFT position. If any resident alien (green card) has ever been approved/denied let us know. Just because you can buy a gun does not mean they let you play with a NFA item....
Thanks,

My situation is actually even worse. I do not have a Green Card yet, but I am a legal non-immigrant alien. I'm probably 5 months away from a Green Card (permanent resident). But as long as you're here legally, and you possess a hunting license, you can purchase firearms.

I agree with you 100% about NFA toys. I would:

1) Call ATF, twice and speak to two different people to make sure I can buy NFA items.

2) Get it in writing from ATF if they tell me over the phone that I can buy it.

I know that often one person at ATF may say one thing and another something totally different. But the reason I went with the semi-auto (picking up today, hopefully!) was that I wanted an Uzi and didn't think I could get a FA.

 

[M60joe]

Re: Re: NFA for Resident Alien?

My situation is actually even worse. I do not have a Green Card yet, but I am a legal non-immigrant alien.

Your not 18, a female, and need a sponsor are you!!! :eek!

( I had to ask, sorry! :buttkick....I know...I know tasteless)

 

[bubagun]

Aliens.......

If you are not a US citizen your form 4 will not be approved.:buttkick

 

[moo-cow]

The citizenship question has already been addressed in this thread:

http://www.uzitalk.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=2938

You may want to check it out.

 

[C-4]

Re: Re: Re: NFA for Resident Alien?

Your not 18, a female, and need a sponsor are you!!! :eek!

( I had to ask, sorry! :buttkick....I know...I know tasteless)

Sorry. I'm a male doctor in my early 30's.

I'd ask if you have a hot sister you could hook me up with, but my wife wouldn't like that. Unfortunately, my wife is Canadian too.

 

[M60joe]

Re: Re: Re: Re: NFA for Resident Alien?

Sorry. I'm a male doctor in my early 30's.

I'd ask if you have a hot sister you could hook me up with, but my wife wouldn't like that. Unfortunately, my wife is Canadian too.

ok, ok good comeback

 

[David Hineline]

Not a requirement

You don't even have to be a citizen to be a NFA gun dealer.

As long as your legal your good to go.

 

[MuzzleFlash]

Dave is right. Resident aliens can be FFLs. In fact, I wouldn't be suprised if Uziel Gal was in that status.

Keep that "hunting" license up to date until you become a resident alien.

And the CLEO is only a problem if you do not want to buy a NFA using your business. Many docs are incorporated or have a LLP. Only natural persons (who are not SOTs) must get a CLEO signoff.


Not to hijack the thread, but I take it you weren't all that fond of the state run medical system up north, eh? I don't want to see one happen here.

I personally know of a case where an elderly woman was on a 45 day waiting list for an angiogram. Her son, flew her here to have it done at his expense. I had a similar issue with my dad who had presented with minor vision issues, was admitted for observation and three days later suffered a premature CAD at a 3rd rate VA hospital 5 blocks from a nationally recognized heart center. Many more sorry details I'll spare you all.

 

[C-4]

Not to hijack the thread, but I take it you weren't all that fond of the state run medical system up north, eh? I don't want to see one happen here.

I personally know of a case where an elderly woman was on a 45 day waiting list for an angiogram. Her son, flew her here to have it done at his expense. I had a similar issue with my dad who had presented with minor vision issues, was admitted for observation and three days later suffered a premature CAD at a 3rd rate VA hospital 5 blocks from a nationally recognized heart center. Many more sorry details I'll spare you all.

The Canadian healthcare system is expensive and sucks hard. Waiting for appointments is ridiculous. They don't have anywhere near the medical technology that is widely available here. The small city I grew up in (pop. 50,000) didn't even have a CT scanner for the longest time when that same size city here had MRI's available. They don't pay docs squat compared to the U.S. (but it ain't like it used to be even here). But there are some problems with the system here rooted in the socialist tentacles that have been spreading here starting with the medicare program. Why not privatize??

As far as the VA (US), I worked in them in med shool, internship and residency. They are an excellent example of what socialized medicine is like and not much different from what you have in Canada--rationed medicine. Imagine the DMV running your healthcare--slow, inefficient. I did my best, but there is only so much you can do with an assbackward system. Every time I hear the Dem candidates talking about 'national healthcare' my blood pressure doubles.

We will live in interesting times.

 

[Vmon]

If you want to make an Uzi SBR, you do not need to mess with Form 4's unless you are transferring an already made SBR from somebody else. To make your own SBR, all you will need is a Form 1 for making and registering a firearm. Form 1's do not seem to require proof of citizenship, however I do not know for sure so you need to contact ATF.