Purchased a Mac because of the Lage upper?

[Nate7667]

Nate 7676, I am in the middle of a two stamp transfer, I hope to have mine by Dec, I bought it in Jan. You are looking at a lot more then jan or Feb

Thats not what i wanted to hear. Oh well, gotta wait i guess.
thanks for the heads up.

 

[garandman]

I bought my Mac 10 because of the Lage upper. I probably won't even shoot it with the stock upper.

In stock form, the M11 / MAC family of firearms are inaccurate, ammo wasting and dangerous to shoot.

Yeah....use a nylon strap that puts your hand about 2" from the muzzle, on a firearm that's almost uncontrollable to shoot in stock form. We're all fortunate CPSC didn't outlaw the darn things.

:evilgrin

 

[Trident9]

Thats not what i wanted to hear. Oh well, gotta wait i guess.
thanks for the heads up.

Although the genius guy I bought it from, wrote his own address wrong on the form 4 for the first stamp, so that delayed it a good extra month because they mailed it to the wrong address.

 

[macaholic]

Add me to the list.

If it weren't for the Lage, I wouldn't have gotten a Mac. I never particularly cared for the hellish rate of fire associated with them in their stock configuration.

How many times have you fired your Mac in factory configuration MPA? The Mac is very accurate within practical distances and very easy to produce controled burst fire. You should be able to pull consistant doubles after the first 500 to 1000 rounds. Don't believe all the myths and non factual rumors, regularly parroted by the unlearned regarding the Mac. Practice man, practice!

 

[macaholic]

WTF kinda comment is that?

The real simple kind Pirate, the kind that requires little thought. By the way, dont koolaide drinkers tend to gather in large numbers? Somehow the name Jim Jones comes to mind.

 

[MPA guy]

How many times have you fired your Mac in factory configuration MPA?

I have not had the pleasure to shoot my Mac yet. It's still tied up in paperwork, however, I have shot barebone stock M10/45 and M10/9's.

I have to say I don't particularly care for either. I was not, and am not a big fan of "brr-aaap", empty.

I didn't care for the factory stock, and I don't care for the muzzle inches away from my knuckles, and honestly since it was brought it up, I didn't really care for the sights either.

Am I wrong for wanting what I feel is a better upper and better stocks and sights and stuff?

Nope.

Are you wrong for wanting to keep it factory?

Nope.

Really macaholic.

I am not saying you're wrong. If it works better that way for you, great. I'm setting mine up the way I want.

 

[hotbrass]

Exactly!

 

[macaholic]

I have not had the pleasure to shoot my Mac yet. It's still tied up in paperwork, however, I have shot barebone stock M10/45 and M10/9's.

I have to say I don't particularly care for either. I was not, and am not a big fan of "brr-aaap", empty.

I didn't care for the factory stock, and I don't care for the muzzle inches away from my knuckles, and honestly since it was brought it up, I didn't really care for the sights either.

Am I wrong for wanting what I feel is a better upper and better stocks and sights and stuff?

Nope.

Are you wrong for wanting to keep it factory?

Nope.

Really macaholic.

I am not saying you're wrong. If it works better that way for you, great. I'm setting mine up the way I want.

It's unfortunate that bad advice is so difficult to undo, once the inocently oblivious receive it and believe it to be fact. But the real tradegy, is that you've already bought into all the nonfactual myths and rumors, without even shooting the gun in factory form. I do wish you the best of luck anyway lad, I've done my best to educate you. I guess you will just have to learn the hard way.

 

[AZ Doug]

Come on Macaholic. It is ok. You can come out of the closet now and tell us your number on Richard's waiting list. It won't be long until you have your own Lage upper and then you won't have to be jealous of the rest of us.:lol

 

[macaholic]

Come on Macaholic. It is ok. You can come out of the closet now and tell us your number on Richard's waiting list. It won't be long until you have your own Lage upper and then you won't have to be jealous of the rest of us.:lol

Yeah Doug, keep telling yourself that and maybe you will begin to believe it. Ha-ha-ha-ha!!!

 

[MPA guy]

It's unfortunate that bad advice is so difficult to undo, once the inocently oblivious receive it and believe it to be fact. But the real tradegy, is that you've already bought into all the nonfactual myths and rumors, without even shooting the gun in factory form. I do wish you the best of luck anyway lad, I've done my best to educate you. I guess you will just have to learn the hard way.

I have shot M10/45's and M10/9's in factory form. I already stated that. I didn't like them.

I didn't like their rate of fire, I didn't like a lot of things about them. As to the original topic, I wouldn't have bought a Mac at all if it wasn't for the lage upper.

To be fair about it, I have not shot one with a Lage upper. If I shoot it with the lage and I don't like it either, I sell the whole thing and get something else altogether that I will like.

But I do like the features that the Lage upper has and "fixes" almost all of my quirks about what I don't like about the original. If I can't get it to run then I don't need it anyway.

I'm not tooting my own horn, but your comments about learning the hard way are a bit insulting to me since you don't know anything about me or my abilities. I have the lage upper in my safe. The "important" specs of it are spot on. If it doesn't run, it would take very little to remedy anything that may be "wrong" with it (if anything).

This next personal opinion may cut some a little too deep, but if the Mac was such a great gun in factory form, the military would still be falling all over themselves trying to get them in their operators hands still to this day instead of eventually going belly up from lack of demand from Gov't contracts.

It wouldn't have had anything to do with the '86 BS of what caused their ultimate demise. If they had a solid military following (of course we know they didn't), it wouldn't have mattered if civilians could no longer buy them in FA or not. I'll be the first to say the military has done/hasn't done a lot of things I think they could've done differently in terms of their firearms, but since I don't like Mac's in their original form, I can't say that I blame them for canning the mac (no reference to werbell with that statement).

I am an FFL and gunsmith by trade and have been for many years now. I have built several firearms from the ground up, and I'm not just talking about just assembling an AR either, though I have done many of those too.

I own 2 suppressors. both were built by yours truly. Both are built to much higher standards and used higher grade materials than you can get in 95%+ over the counter versions, so don't worry yourself if I can "tinker" with it if I have to lad.

 

[hotbrass]

If this were a school yard, Macaholics postings would be a case of bullying.

 

[StealthyBlagga]

I guess that would depend on just how many people you were fighting and what else is in the safe...

I have several guns in my safe that are far more capable than a MAC, including a few high-speed AR15s... if you saw me hose a 3-gun rifle stage, you would know why I would leave the M11/9 in the safe in favor of an AR15

 

[AZ Doug]

I have several guns in my safe that are far more capable than a MAC, including a few high-speed AR15s... if you saw me hose a 3-gun rifle stage, you would know why I would leave the M11/9 in the safe in favor of an AR15

I doubt I hose them as fast as you, but I would still pick one of my ARs also.

 

[macaholic]

I have shot M10/45's and M10/9's in factory form. I already stated that. I didn't like them.

I didn't like their rate of fire, I didn't like a lot of things about them. As to the original topic, I wouldn't have bought a Mac at all if it wasn't for the lage upper.

To be fair about it, I have not shot one with a Lage upper. If I shoot it with the lage and I don't like it either, I sell the whole thing and get something else altogether that I will like.

But I do like the features that the Lage upper has and "fixes" almost all of my quirks about what I don't like about the original. If I can't get it to run then I don't need it anyway.

I'm not tooting my own horn, but your comments about learning the hard way are a bit insulting to me since you don't know anything about me or my abilities. I have the lage upper in my safe. The "important" specs of it are spot on. If it doesn't run, it would take very little to remedy anything that may be "wrong" with it (if anything).

This next personal opinion may cut some a little too deep, but if the Mac was such a great gun in factory form, the military would still be falling all over themselves trying to get them in their operators hands still to this day instead of eventually going belly up from lack of demand from Gov't contracts.

It wouldn't have had anything to do with the '86 BS of what caused their ultimate demise. If they had a solid military following (of course we know they didn't), it wouldn't have mattered if civilians could no longer buy them in FA or not. I'll be the first to say the military has done/hasn't done a lot of things I think they could've done differently in terms of their firearms, but since I don't like Mac's in their original form, I can't say that I blame them for canning the mac (no reference to werbell with that statement).

I am an FFL and gunsmith by trade and have been for many years now. I have built several firearms from the ground up, and I'm not just talking about just assembling an AR either, though I have done many of those too.

I own 2 suppressors. both were built by yours truly. Both are built to much higher standards and used higher grade materials than you can get in 95%+ over the counter versions, so don't worry yourself if I can "tinker" with it if I have to lad.

Your information on the Mac is incorrect regarding the history of military contracts. The fact of the matter, is that the Macs have been used world wide by military, private security, and special forces all over the globe. They have even been used by our own special forces, namely, the Navy Seals as recent as the first Iraqi conflict over in Kuawat under Bush Sr. I know I've mentioned this several times, but I continue to hear the parroting of this particular myth, regarding the lack of military contracts concerning the Mac. Which by the way, is just another one of the many fallacies associated with the Mac that dates back about three decades. I do realize that all of the nonfactual Mac myths and folklore, make for great gunshow conversation, but it's all just that. Nonfactual.

 

[FOZ]

Your information on the Mac is incorrect regarding the history of military contracts. The fact of the matter, is that the Macs have been used world wide by military, private security, and special forces all over the globe. They have even been used by our own special forces, namely the Navy Seals, as recent as the first Iraqi conflict over in Kuawat under Bush Sr. I know I've mentioned this several times, but I keep hearing the parroting of this particular myth, regarding a lack of military contracts concerning the Mac. Which by the way, is just another one of the many falllacies associated with the Mac, that dates back to about three decades. I know all of the nonfactual Mac folklore makes for great gunshow conversation, but it's just that. Nonfactual.

So why did military armerment corp go bankrupt?

FOZ

 

[MrM4]

So why did military armerment corp go bankrupt?

FOZ

Could it be because no one "kept on" using them?

Bottom line Stock "Mac" type guns suck, Macoholic doesnt agree. Same argument as always, to each his own, at the end of the day its not a combat weapon of value in ANY form and its not a Subgun match winner in Stock form unless the course is set up special for the Mac to have an advantage. ( kinda like they do at the special olympics)

 

[StealthyBlagga]

...its not a Subgun match winner in Stock form unless the course is set up special for the Macaholic to have an advantage. ( kinda like they do at the special olympics)

:lol

 

[9mmsubgun-m11]

:roflmao :roflmao

 

[piratesover40]

I shoot my MAC 10 in stock all the time. I use the strap when not using the can I bought. MAC's have had their problems. But the Colt AR-15 nearly didn't get from the trials to combat. All because some dickhead Army Gen. decided to change the simple design Stoner started. All he had to do was leave it as the AR-15 the way the Air Force bought them. My MAC is very controlable and very accurate at ranges the gun was meant for. And I don't believe the MAC has had the breaking problems the M11 has. Except for some poor quality Texas MAC's that were rushed thru production to meet the '86 ban time line.