Proper Forum Etiquette

[Timberwolf]

If one has a Century Golani, and she is sent to Tenngalil "finishing school", would it be proper to refer to her as "my Galil"? (I realize she was not born with the noble title of IMI Galil) I believe the Century Arms Syndrome in her past causes her occasional depression, and after all she couldn't help where she was born. She now performs admirably is gorgeous to look at, and I feel about as perfect as she could be. I feel if I could call her "Galil" these bouts of depression would subside, and she would hold her flash hider just a little higher. What say guys, can we give these sweet girls a break?

 

[Che]

I moved to Texas 34 years ago, have had a son and daughter in Texas, BUT- I will never be a true Texan (because I was not born there).

IMHO, only Galils manufactured by IMI can be viewed as true Galils, anything else may look like one, shoot like one, but never can truly "be" one. Guns reassembled from parts kits on aftermarket receivers can never be more than “look-a-likes”. Sorry, if you want to join the Galil club, “you got to put the entranced fee down” and get an actual IMI Galil.

I have a Century Cetme, and it can NEVER be a MARS imported Cetme no matter how much money I put into it.

Think I'm wrong? Try selling your rifle as a real Galil and see how pissed a buyer can be.

 

[Timberwolf]

:cry Aw shucks, now you had to go and make her cry!

 

[Jagdraben]

Call it what you want. Those who matter don't care and those who care don't matter.

 

[Jager]

I've got two IMI Galils, Jeff made me one also and I refer to it as "my Micro Galil". I don't think the other two care, and I feel it an accurate description of the rifle. Opinions vary...

 

[Tom5390]

The first century's were called galil's (by them), then they changed the name to golani for legal reasons. To me, the IMI is as close as it gets. Having said that IMO anything rebuilt from a kit and neutered from select fire to semi is a clone no matter what parts are used. Much like my AK's, even the ones built in Romainia are still an ak clone. I suppose you could still call it a "century galil clone".

 

[CaptainPhil]

Who cares what you call it? Does it shoot well? Does it hit what you point it at?

If so you call call it Doris for all it matters.

If not, you can call it crap.

 

[MrM4]

Parts are parts, if they are inspec who cares what the receiver says?

 

[DrGolani]

I was at the Rocky Mountain Gun Show the last time it came thru SLC. I found a Golani for sale, the guy wanted $1800 for it, his sale placard said Galil.

I pointed out to him that it was a Golani, showed him the "Golani Sporter" written on the side and the serial number was GLN.

He said that doesn't mean anything, it's a Galil.

Then I mentioned to him that a Golani costs about $800 and a Galil was well over $2500. At this point there was about 10 people standing around his booth.

He still called it a Galil. But the 10 or so people around all left it alone and walked away.

If he just called it what it was, he probably would have sold it, for less than $1800 though. Truth in Marketing!

 

[Jagdraben]

If he called it a Galil and sold it for what it is worth, ie less than $1800, he probably would have sold it.

 

[MrM4]

Receivers do account for some value from a collector stand point but as far as a shooet goes, function is all that matters.

 

[Ed24601]

Well, there is an old Texas saying: Just because a cat has her kittens in an oven don't make them biscuits. :bigfart Your Golani will always be a Golani but you can call it what u want. :goofygrin Like Dr G, I saw a Golani with GLN # at a recent show with the dude wanting 1500. The dude said it was a real Galil. :jerkoff My GLN# was a POS. Had to send it Jeff after CAI didn't fix it (twice). GLN receiver was pure junk. Jeff just finished fixin it with micro barrel, receiver, etc,etc. Can't wait to shoot this one.:moon :moon

 

[TrippHammer]

I moved to Texas 34 years ago, have had a son and daughter in Texas, BUT- I will never be a true Texan (because I was not born there).

IMHO, only Galils manufactured by IMI can be viewed as true Galils, anything else may look like one, shoot like one, but never can truly "be" one. Guns reassembled from parts kits on aftermarket receivers can never be more than “look-a-likes”. Sorry, if you want to join the Galil club, “you got to put the entranced fee down” and get an actual IMI Galil.

I have a Century Cetme, and it can NEVER be a MARS imported Cetme no matter how much money I put into it.

Think I'm wrong? Try selling your rifle as a real Galil and see how pissed a buyer can be.

I agree with this comment.

All I would add is that generally from a collectors point of view, wherever the receiver was manufactured IE: say Isreal for an IMI Model B UZI or
an IMI ARM Galil & those receivers are unmolested & in original condition from the manufacture are worth more than a demilled parts kit built on a similiar quality American made receiver.

Quality matters & in my opinion TennGalil makes the finest domestic version of the Galil available, but they aren't original Galil's. I'm sure Jeff would agree with that as well.
There were only a finite amount of original semi auto IMI Galil's imported. That has more to do with the value of the weapon than the quality of the domestic copy.
FWIW there are no IMI semi auto Micro Galil's. All of them are domestic manufactured so I would suspect the cost of these models reflects upon the quality of the build only.

 

[Tom5390]

Wouldn't the only "true" Galil (built as designed and intended) be only IMI select fire full autos? Did Yisrael Galil intend his design to be altered as a semi-auto? If no, then to me anything but a full-auto Galil is still just a neutered clone no matter how nice. Just like a true "AK47" was designed to be select fire. To me, even a complete Russian AK47 kit built on a semi-auto Saiga (Russian) receiver neutered to US civilian standards is still just a really nice neutered clone, but not a true AK47..true to the original design, specs and operation that the designer's name intended.

On the same token, this also is where anti-gun and media types like to cloud the waters with terms like "military assault rifle" omitting that select fire models (the true definition) are extremely expensive and rare, having been for decades in the US thus confusing folks outside our realm the difference between a true Ak47 and a Century WASR.

Having said all that...IMO...happy switch = the real deal. Neutered semi = clone wannabe. Everything I have that has been neutered is a clone. Someday I hope to afford the full auto real deal. Anything else is just a label.

 

[adipose]

Wouldn't the only "true" Galil (built as designed and intended) be only IMI select fire full autos? Did Yisrael Galil intend his design to be altered as a semi-auto? If no, then to me anything but a full-auto Galil is still just a neutered clone no matter how nice. Just like a true "AK47" was designed to be select fire. To me, even a complete Russian AK47 kit built on a semi-auto Saiga (Russian) receiver neutered to US civilian standards is still just a really nice neutered clone, but not a true AK47..true to the original design, specs and operation that the designer's name intended.

On the same token, this also is where anti-gun and media types like to cloud the waters with terms like "military assault rifle" omitting that select fire models (the true definition) are extremely expensive and rare, having been for decades in the US thus confusing folks outside our realm the difference between a true Ak47 and a Century WASR.

Having said all that...IMO...happy switch = the real deal. Neutered semi = clone wannabe. Everything I have that has been neutered is a clone. Someday I hope to afford the full auto real deal. Anything else is just a label.

The Galil sniper was designed/made to be in semi-auto.

Are you going to call that a clone?

 

[TrippHammer]

The Galil sniper was designed/made to be in semi-auto.

You beat me too it. :bequiet

 

[Tom5390]

The Galil sniper was designed/made to be in semi-auto.

Are you going to call that a clone?

If it was designed as such, then no. There can be rare exceptions (semi-auto PSL AK47 variant comes to mind as well). But most neutered semi's of select fires are clones (semi-auto AR Galils and such for example). Same as Uzi's. Yeah a semi-auto "Uzi" is cool and I plan on getting one, but I'd really love to have the real deal and not a cloned, neutered semi-auto Uzi. A 16" barrel semi-auto Uzi is not a real deal to Uzi me (no matter what it's labeled as). Just like too there are real M-16's and M4's, then there are AR15's and M4 forgeries...there is a real difference that happy switch makes both in name, function and $$$ and that's what I'm getting at.

Just like too I have a wiselite M53 clone. I wish it were a real MG42 or a real M53, but it's a semi-auto clone and always will be a clone. When I can pony up the 20-30k for a real one then I'll have the real deal.

 

[31dirty]

When asked at the range, I call my golani a galil clone, omitting the term century as mine has been to "finishing school." 9 out of 10 AR shooters still have no idea what it is.

When talking with my buddies we all still call it a galil, even though we know its not the real thing.

 

[Jagdraben]

I've never met the man, but I somehow suspect that Mikhail Kalashnikov would not have a problem with his name being attached to a semi-automatic rifle utilized by the American unorganized militia, that he would almost certainly claim to have designed.

Eugene Stoner doesn't (didn't?).

I would imagine that Mister Galili would, similarly, not have a problem with his name being assigned to a weapon with a similar purpose.

 

[Mr Folgers]

If it was designed as such, then no. There can be rare exceptions (semi-auto PSL AK47 variant comes to mind as well). But most neutered semi's of select fires are clones (semi-auto AR Galils and such for example). Same as Uzi's. Yeah a semi-auto "Uzi" is cool and I plan on getting one, but I'd really love to have the real deal and not a cloned, neutered semi-auto Uzi. A 16" barrel semi-auto Uzi is not a real deal to Uzi me (no matter what it's labeled as). Just like too there are real M-16's and M4's, then there are AR15's and M4 forgeries...there is a real difference that happy switch makes both in name, function and $$$ and that's what I'm getting at.

Just like too I have a wiselite M53 clone. I wish it were a real MG42 or a real M53, but it's a semi-auto clone and always will be a clone. When I can pony up the 20-30k for a real one then I'll have the real deal.

I'm sure everyone would like to have a selective-fire galil like "Izzy" who has an original, with all the engravings in hebrew from the factory and not by Tenngalil.
But truth be told, i doubt anyone would use full auto unless they want to spend 20 seconds shooting, and 2 minutes loading mags. Not to mention the price of ammo and how much you would have to buy.
The way i see it, it is a true Galil since it is made at the same factory, and there aren't any differences in the name. If they weren't legally called Golanis and were just marked Galils instead, they would be galils in my opinion. The same way a Mac-10 select-fire and a Mac-10 semi-automatic are still Mac-10's.

Oh, and for "Finished/Educated" Golanis, i would just call them Custom Golanis.