Problems getting my FA Uzi - suggestions needed

[GreenMtnTac]

Back in June I purchased a fullsize FA Vector from a board member here. I finally received notification from him that the ATF approval for the xfer arrived, and this person ostensibly shippd it to my dealer on Tuesday, Sep 14th. As of today, the rifle has not shown up at my dealer, and I have been unable to get hold of the seller. This kind of situation just burns my ass. I have over $5,000 in limbo and nothing to show for it. The rifle could have been shipped by arthritic mule and would have made it here by now.

Anyone have any advice? Sit tight and wait? Get on the next plane and visit this person? I hope I am not overreacting, but that's a lot of money to send to someone on what is essentially faith.

 

[tommygun2000]

Ask for a UPS shipping number or a FEDEX shipping number. The gun should have gone by second day air or next day air by law.

If you think you got scammed, contact the ATF and see if the transfer has gone through from the owner to your dealer.

Knock on wood, all my transfers have gone without so much as a hint of delay or problems but I've also dealt with some of the best in the business.

Please post the name of who you bought from so others might not be scammed.

 

[RoverDave]

Have your dealer call the ATF to verify that the transfer was approved. He'll need the serial number of the gun and the seller's name. He needs to be involved to because if the transfer was approved, it's now in his name and he better find out where the gun is!

 

[GreenMtnTac]

Thanks for the info. I think I screwed up royally, as I do not have the gun's serial number. I do have the name, address, and phone number of the buyer, and since he is (or was?) a frequent poster here I figured I was okay.

I guess I'm stuck until I can get hold of the buyer. He seems to be out of town at the moment. Hopefully he didn't go to Brazil.

 

[coolhand]

Call your Class III dealer ASAP and discuss the problem! He should have serial# and ATF info!

 

[Brian Ski]

Ask for a UPS shipping number or a FEDEX shipping number. The gun should have gone by second day air or next day air by law.

There are no laws about shipping a gun....About the only thing is that UPS was requiring Pistols to be shipped next day air. It meant that it was in there system only a day or 2 and less likely to be ripped off. They didn't have a procedure for shipping MGs. (besides what the clerks opinion is at the moment!!)

Personally I would ship by air just so things wouldn't dissapear. I would check to see who the shipper was and get the tracking number....

Its always a bitch dealing with the feeling in the gut you been ripped off when things are not showing up. I would check with the dealer to have them call the ATF and make sure the transfer has gone thru...If it has, by law he has to send it. Just hope it wasn't "lost" in the mail.

BTW if I sent something the first thing I would do is send tracking numbers to all partys involved...

If you still have a problem post the city/state someone here might live around the person....A social visit usually will help...

 

[M60joe]

If you still have a problem post the city/state someone here might live around the person....A social visit usually will help...

Yes, post name, city and state.

 

[Jimmy2Times]

Originally posted by brian ski:

There are no laws about shipping a gun

You are dead wrong. Check out the ATF website sometime. There are very specific laws about shipping guns, especially handguns and machineguns.

 

[GreenMtnTac]

Well, I may have finally gotten to the bottom of this. I noticed him posting on another forum yesterday and managed to exchange a couple of messages. The story is, he has been in the hospital, and in all the commotion, the Uzi just sat on the kitchen table.

That sounds a little thin, but he promises to get the gun out ASAP, so I'm willing to wait and see. I don't know about you, but I would feel really uncomfortable with a $5000 machinegun sitting on the kitchen table while I wasn't home for several days.

We'll see.

 

[RoverDave]

The good news is it's found! Hopefully it will be in your dealer's hands soon.

 

[sofltodd]

Personally I'd call the guy and ask for the serial # for starters without that I think even the ATF would tell you good luck trying to find him and it.

I would highly suggest a bill of sale via email on all purchases which list the make + model of the gun or item , the serial # and the agreed price and payment plan agreement such as 50/50 or 100% up front. Although it is no guarantee against fraud if push came to shove it could be used in court to show the fraud.

 

[Corbic]

Be aware that the "I'm sick, dead, laid off, out of town ect" is a typical ebay scam. They just keep saying crap like that until they have there tracks cleared enough, checks cashed and so forth that you get royally screwed. How did you manage to go threw the entire purchasing?
Process without getting the serial number? Also if he TOLD YOU HE SHIPPED IT, why now is he saying it’s on the kitchen table? Its $5,000, he can't tell a friend to ship it?


Jack

 

[coolhand]

Well, I may have finally gotten to the bottom of this. I noticed him posting on another forum yesterday and managed to exchange a couple of messages. The story is, he has been in the hospital, and in all the commotion, the Uzi just sat on the kitchen table.

That sounds a little thin, but he promises to get the gun out ASAP, so I'm willing to wait and see. I don't know about you, but I would feel really uncomfortable with a $5000 machinegun sitting on the kitchen table while I wasn't home for several days.

We'll see.

I smell some B.S! For $5000 I would drive up there and confront him!:heavy

 

[Brian Ski]

Originally posted by brian ski:



You are dead wrong. Check out the ATF website sometime. There are very specific laws about shipping guns, especially handguns and machineguns.

Jimmy...I have found 2 sections about shipping firearms and nothing about shipping Machinguns....Basically I am talking about shipping to dealers...I see nothing pertaining to whether it needs to be sent next day air or not....I would be interested to know the regs if I have missed something....Thanks



(B8) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U.S. Postal Service?
A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. Handguns are not mailable. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. A nonlicensee may not transfer any firearm to a nonlicensed resident of another State.
The Postal Service recommends that longguns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms.

(B9) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by carrier?
A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by carrier to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm.

 

[GreenMtnTac]

Well, the seller promised he would call sometime today with the tracking info, but has not. I have notified him of my decision to give him through Monday before going legal on his ass.

Given the complete irresponsibility of this person, I have decided it is in the best interest of others here if I reveal who he is:

LVHospiceRN

His name is Darrell Johnson and he lives in Las Vegas. I do not recommend doing business with him.

Sorry it has come to this.

 

[RoverDave]

GunWares, LVHospiceRN has been a member for quite a while but we didn't hear from him very much for a time. Last June he told the folks here that he had recently he diagnosed as being HIV positive. I have no way of verifying if that is true or not, but he posted that info out of the blue and I don't know why he'd make that up. I'm not trying to pick sides on this but I just wanted to let you know of his prior claim in case there is something to his illness.

 

[sofltodd]

Gunwares ,

I had spoken to LVHospiceRN on the phone previous to you buying the gun when I was debating getting a full size and I would not take him for the type to intentionally jack you. As RD said he does have medical issues which were his reasoning for selling the gun in the first place.

I would hope he is OK and this is not a scam but if needed I have his phone # around here somewhere. PM me if you need it.

- Todd

 

[wildwilly2002]

Gee, guy I hope this thing works out for you. I certainly know how you feel! I have three machine guns now. WH thompson, M14 and M2 carbine. currently awaiting ATF aproval on transfer to my dealer for a full size vecter smg. My first two buys were a horrible mess! The third went very smoothly. hope this isn't your first because this kind of thing tends to ruin it for ya. Would call my dealer and get this fella to earn his money! He'S got to have the S/N of the gun. He should call the ATF and run this down. THANKS for posting this guys name and keep us on the forum advised on how this situation progresses. GOOD LUCK!

 

[Vegas SMG]

Gunwares,
I've spoken to LVHospiceRN several times on the phone, (many months ago), but he's never made it to any of our informal monthly shoots, didn't come to the UZITalk shoot, or been to one of our matches.... never, so I haven't met him in person. He seemed like a decent guy, and I offered several times to let him shoot my gun while he waited for his transfer to be completed but he never seemed to be able to find the time. As for his health, or lack thereof, I missed that post and can't comment on that. I'd be happy to do what I can to assist in this transfer if you'd like. I'm here in town...what can I do to help?

 

[LVHospiceRN]

Be aware that the "I'm sick, dead, laid off, out of town ect" is a typical ebay scam. They just keep saying crap like that until they have there tracks cleared enough, checks cashed and so forth that you get royally screwed. How did you manage to go threw the entire purchasing?
Process without getting the serial number? Also if he TOLD YOU HE SHIPPED IT, why now is he saying it’s on the kitchen table? Its $5,000, he can't tell a friend to ship it?
Jack

Hm....an interesting delimma. He maybe scammig you. Then again, he has been on fal files for over four years and on this board for a couple years. That doesnt seem to jelly if he was trying to scam you.

Medical issues huh? That maybe a lie but then, if you ever been sick with HIV/AIDS which i highly hope you dont have, you know that between the illness and the medications it can be a royal pain in the butt!!! Days go by sometime when you are in a fog...go ahead, ask me how i know!

He told you he shipped it? That does sound like a scam! Or...did he tell you that his WIFE shipped it? Maybe he didnt ship it himself but she did and with him saying he got sick, she might have been distracted a bit. When someone you care about is ill,
other things tend to take a back seat.

I know this guy pretty well I am "fairly" sure he isnt trying to scam you. I am confident things will work out and .

darrell
sin city