Practical Solutions' M10/.22 (2nd Edition) Conversion Kit Update

[m11stuff@hotmail.com]

We used to typically have about a 40% fall out rate on our waiting lists. I think we have a much higher capture rate with the VERSA's.

When production starts, we usually see the list grow faster than the sales that reduce it.

 

[Deerhurst]

That's the crappy part of it all. You can either over produce and sit on a bunch of product or under produce and never catch up.

Glad to hear your Versa sales are better than expected!

 

[Juggar]

Glad to hear the 2nd edition .22 upper has come into fruition, I only got on the list in May of 24 but do have an all original Powder Springs .45 Mac so that fits the bill at least. Im never going to sell it so even if I have to wait over a year I guess it doesn't matter. Just glad to hear there been a lot of progress and excited to see some videos when these release in May. In the meanwhile ill keep tearing up the outdoor range with my Fat Ghost upper, love that upper its freaking amazing.

 

[Deerhurst]

Any of these uppers make it into any hands yet? Excited to hear how they run!!


Hoping to get my hands on one before the nice weather goes away!

 

[Donut77donut]

Any of these uppers make it into any hands yet? Excited to hear how they run!!


Hoping to get my hands on one before the nice weather goes away!

Hopefully @MACsAlot will update this thread when the first batch ships?

 

[Donut77donut]

@MACsAlot are there any updates on the first batch shipping?

 

[MACsAlot]

Sorry for the delay, I don't visit this forum regularly. We have the beta testers' kits back in house and we're going over them to see what final changes/improvements need to be made before we release the first kits. We've emailed the first 20 or so on the list to confirm their gun type and continued interest. We are prepping the first 10 kits and I would guesstimate that it'll be another month or so before they actually ship because of the last minute touches that'll need to be tended to. As Strobro mentioned previously, the first kits will be a continuation of the beta testing, but we think we've got the kinks worked out.

Thx...t

 

[Deerhurst]

Yay! Hoping to hear from you guys soon!

 

[strobro32]

Good news indeed.

 

[Deerhurst]

Hate to be that guy but.... Are we there yet?

 

[Donut77donut]

Hate to be that guy but.... Are we there yet?

I called yesterday… Sam said they haven’t got the first one out yet and to keep waiting. Evidently now they are going to put names on uppers and film each one working and including the video so you can’t say they don’t work. Seems like we have a while to wait still, but it’s all relative.

 

[strobro32]

I had the same idea about video proof but it does not really solve the problem with uppers or parts. With the known variations in the lowers or parts available, functional 22LR firearms really comes down to tweaking, ammo, loading the straight mags and technique. Costs increase creating videos and people would just produce videos of their guns failing. I love 22LR but that ammo is just fundamentally unreliable. A mfger just has to be prepared for a % of users who's upper is not plug and play, even if they read the manual and follow the recommendations.

I remember when Sam had customers send in their guns for fitting. That seemed like a great solution for those who needed a fix but some of those people complained about the wait times. I'm not sure what the best solution is.

I have a lot of empathy for mfgers who sell FA 22LR uppers. Casull, Atchisson, Fleming, Norrel, Copper, Tippman, Gratez, Lage, and Schneider know that it's a labor of love and understanding.

 

[Deerhurst]

I think it'll be a decent baseline. You'll know it worked with at least 1 gun. Very likely need tuning for your specific gun depending on how wide the tolerances are.

I'm just excited to get my hands on one eventually. I'm not afraid of a little tuning.

 

[strobro32]

werd.

 

[skoda]

With the many limitations of 22LR that Strobro rightfully points out, and my own experiences (Fleming and Lage uppers), you have to #1 be prepared to tinker with any upper/lower/magazine/ammo combination that you have and #2 be prepared to have regular failures to feed and to fire. 22LR is normally cheap enough that you just jack the problem round out and keep going but eventually even a good running setup will fail to function and then you are back to #1. If you are not prepared to do that kind of work then you shouldn't get a 22 upper.

 

[Deerhurst]

Tinker? Id be equally as thrilled if they just sent me a print package to machine myself!

News of how close they are promoted me to stop designing my 22LR upper. Theirs is probably simpler and faster to manufacture.

I will be fine with modifications to the upper but not to my lower.

 

[A&S Conversions]

I had the same idea about video proof but it does not really solve the problem with uppers or parts. With the known variations in the lowers or parts available, functional 22LR firearms really comes down to tweaking, ammo, loading the straight mags and technique. Costs increase creating videos and people would just produce videos of their guns failing. I love 22LR but that ammo is just fundamentally unreliable. A mfger just has to be prepared for a % of users who's upper is not plug and play, even if they read the manual and follow the recommendations.

I remember when Sam had customers send in their guns for fitting. That seemed like a great solution for those who needed a fix but some of those people complained about the wait times. I'm not sure what the best solution is.

I have a lot of empathy for mfgers who sell FA 22LR uppers. Casull, Atchisson, Fleming, Norrel, Copper, Tippman, Gratez, Lage, and Schneider know that it's a labor of love and understanding.

There is a wrinkle, without a 16” barrel, there is no way (as a private individual) to ship a machine gun. I ran into this problem when submitting the latest version of the open and closed bolt versions of the Tenko 10-16. UPS no longer allows shipping machine guns. FedEx no longer will ship any kind of firearms from or to an individual. DHL will not ship firearms period.

You can mail a long gun. Any conciliable firearm is from FFL holder to FFL holder. So to mail your machine gun it must be in a long gun configuration.

The USPS regulations doesn’t mention machine gun at all. The only difference in firearms is “long gun” and “conciliable”. So any firearm with a rifled barrel less than 16” to USPS is conciliable. So if you want to mail your machine gun you will need a 16” barrel to do it. It used to be that UPS would ship machine guns and FedEx would let you ship to yourself, but not any more. You could go through a SOT. My last transfer cost me $150 transfer fee plus shipping. Whether shipping for transfer or repair, the SOT has to put the machine gun on their books, so there would be a transfer fee. FedEx is overnight only, so shipping is going to be very expensive.

To me the only reasonably priced option is registered mail to ship a machine gun. Just be aware that the Post Office might want to inspect the firearm to be sure it is a long gun.

Scott

 

[Gaujo]

There is a wrinkle, without a 16” barrel, there is no way (as a private individual) to ship a machine gun. I ran into this problem when submitting the latest version of the open and closed bolt versions of the Tenko 10-16. UPS no longer allows shipping machine guns. FedEx no longer will ship any kind of firearms from or to an individual. DHL will not ship firearms period.

You can mail a long gun. Any conciliable firearm is from FFL holder to FFL holder. So to mail your machine gun it must be in a long gun configuration.

The USPS regulations doesn’t mention machine gun at all. The only difference in firearms is “long gun” and “conciliable”. So any firearm with a rifled barrel less than 16” to USPS is conciliable. So if you want to mail your machine gun you will need a 16” barrel to do it. It used to be that UPS would ship machine guns and FedEx would let you ship to yourself, but not any more. You could go through a SOT. My last transfer cost me $150 transfer fee plus shipping. Whether shipping for transfer or repair, the SOT has to put the machine gun on their books, so there would be a transfer fee. FedEx is overnight only, so shipping is going to be very expensive.

To me the only reasonably priced option is registered mail to ship a machine gun. Just be aware that the Post Office might want to inspect the firearm to be sure it is a long gun.

Scott

IF that's the case how does Practical Solutions send trasferable mgs back to owners? Also, I believe it is legitimate to ship a separated lower by itself through USPS as it is neither a long gun, a pistol, nor a concealable weapon in that configuration. This is how I ship mine when I have to move it for any reason, as a lower only. I then either carry the upper on my person, or ship it separately as sporting goods parts.

 

[Slowmo]

Violating USPS rules can incur fines or possibly other civil or criminal penalties. I am not aware of FedEx or UPS being able to penalize you.

The main issue is whether the carrier will honor insurance. One alternative is to get an insurance policy for your guns with coverage that includes shipping, transportation, etc.

 

[skoda]

IF that's the case how does Practical Solutions send trasferable mgs back to owners? Also, I believe it is legitimate to ship a separated lower by itself through USPS as it is neither a long gun, a pistol, nor a concealable weapon in that configuration. This is how I ship mine when I have to move it for any reason, as a lower only. I then either carry the upper on my person, or ship it separately as sporting goods parts.

FFL holders can ship handguns via USPS, regular people can't. I normally use them to ship long guns.

I've used ShipMyGuns. It's some kind of work around where they act as a dealer for you so you can ship UPS. I don't really understand it but it works and you get a cheaper rate than using UPS directly. It's a branch of the Bud's Guns mega dealer.