Pistol FRTs

[garandman]

Let me start by saying I've never shot one... I have only seen videos.

In general I believe FRTs are presently legally protected because the legal definition is "one round fired per pull of the trigger" to be classified as a semi-auto and FRT's definitely meet that definition. They would have to change definitions and change the law in order to go after FRTs.

The thing that concerns me about pistol FRTs at least from the videos I've seen is they look fairly uncontrollable. Whereas rifle FRTs basically look like a fast trigger finger on a semi.

So I'm wondering what kind of groups or spray pattern do you get at 15 yd from a pistol FRT? Are they as uncontrollable as they look?

(For the record I don't think that is any basis to restrict or ban them as long as the shooter keeps their rounds down range safely into the berm. And even then that's a shooter problem not a gun problem.)

 

[skoda]

The TX22 jumps around a fair amount considering the weak cartridge (22LR) that it shoots. I always walk closer to the berm when shooting to make sure that I don't put one over the top. I would GUESS that my 'group sizes' at 10-15 yards is around two feet. I also noticed that the gun shoots a foot or two higher than on regular semiauto. A friend that has one said the same thing.

Strobro32 has a boat load of experience shooting FRT handguns, hopefully he will comment here.

 

[strobro32]

That's why I shoot smgs. I pray and spray.

 

[Alaska_Shooter]

Pistol FRTs are just as controllable as the pistol MGs that I’ve shot (G18/clones).

😃

Part of the fun of them is trying to control them

 

[skoda]

I shot a G18 once. Completely uncontrollable for me. It's something that would take a lot of practice to get good at. That's why I don't have any interest in a Glock FRT.

Also shot a VZ61 Scorpion, much more controllable because of the gun weight/recoil impulse ratio.

 

[ericthered]

I watched a video of Jerry Miculek shooting a g18. Didnt look like a big deal, I think I could handle it no sweat as well

 

[A&S Conversions]

The control factor because of the super high rate of fire was why there are so few transferable pistol conversions in the registry. They are a novelty. It is my understanding that during WW I the Germans did have the artillery Luger with the 32 round drum mags. They did convert a few of those pistols to auto, but the cyclic rate was way too high. So they came up with the MP 18 with a longer barrel so there was a foregrip for the support hand and an open bolt blowback system with a lengthened receiver for a slower rate of fire.

The .22lr pistol seems to be challenging to control to tight groups. So with that much of a challenge using 140 ft/lbs of the .22lr, how much more challenging would it be to shoot tight groups using 9mm at 350 ft/lbs at a similar ROF? Every few years an untrained RO will hand a micro Uzi or a Mac style submachine gun, in factory configuration and someone gets injured or killed. With an advent of FRT style fire control systems for handguns, hopefully the person of small stature will have enough hand strength so that the shooter can pull the trigger hard enough to stop the pistol. If not, the muzzle rise from dumping over 700 ft/lbs in a second could bring the muzzle up under the shooter’s chin.

An experienced shooter of such high cyclic rates takes time. IMHO a 9mm pistol with such a cyclic rate is the deep end of the pool. In the right circumstances such a firearm could be fun. But an inexperienced shooter especially in the wrong circumstances could make for a very bad day.

I had a friend who owned a transferable S&W 9 mm pistol. He said that the novelty wore off quickly and he sold it. If that is your thing, have fun.

Scott

 

[strobro32]

I shot 1000 rds from G18 at about 15 ft. I felt like it was controllable. I posted a video a while back. Every shot was center mass. I would buy one quick if it was kosher. I liked it but I would not get a ported one cause the muzzle flash made it hard to see the target, even at 15 ft. It does get old quick but I would keep it by the bedside.

 

[slimshady]

A Glock frt and one of the .380 models might be interesting. One in the sub micro 10 mm models stoked with those heavy bear loads might be even more interesting. from a distance!

Handgun frt's would seem to be the ideal platform for burst limiters such as the 93r pattern. Also there appears to be a proliferation of those little chassis kits that basically turns them into a micro PDW with an arm brace or stock. And of course if you could just get the rate of fire down below about 800 trigger control will allow you to fire just a handful of shots.

 

[strobro32]

I've always been told that the only reason for a handgun is to help get to a rifle. The argument against SMGs is that a rife is the same size but packs more force. I think the machine pistol is the best compromise. It's concealable and a massive force multiplier. If you feel like your outnumbered in close quarters, a machine pistol can get out of the room and towards a rifle... or a bar where you call for back up. And... the chicks dig it.

 

[Caverpete]

And of course there’s that odd looking Bubits Armbrace made for Glock pistols. It doesn’t attach but is simply held against the grip. There’s also various chassis with folding stocks for all kinds of pistols incl the TX22. In fact if you remove the safety from a TX22 there’s a nice hole thru the frame that could be an attachment point for such a thing for anyone who likes to fabricate. I suppose you’d need to register it as an sbr if you add any kind of stock.

 

[slimshady]

Yes but tax-free these days, still a bit of a wait on a form one from what I understand. The form fours are pretty much automated I guess, they tend to go through in a matter of days.