Jim C said:
why do i want to buy a build from another builder when i am qualified to build the ten pound piece of scrap myself? who's not getting it, you? silly is even responding to your blinding ignorance and selfless devotion to orf. i think orf is an acronym for out of spec rifle fabricators.
uke :lol :smart
You are qualified? Not even close. Not with that stinko attitude.
You can have whatever falacious loser attitude you want.
Maybe one day you will have the desire to actually be
QUALIFIED.
As it is, you are in lock step with the lying smear campaign yahoos from the 'other site'.
Here is a post from a
real QUALIFIED builder that I copied from an informative non-slandering non-libeling non-smear campaign non-lying site.
He says it better in this post than any I have ever seen.
Read and learn.
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"I have serial # 206 (an early Galil receiver). The build went together fairly easily, not without hiccups, but that is normal with any build. When I head-spaced the early receiver I did have to make sure that BOTH of the locking lugs made solid contact (Duh!)..
I also have a SER Rifle (# 41 (I think) )..
Both are flawless and are holding together perfectly. Even after extended high volume firing.
Any time that ANYONE builds a rifle it is a flat out OBVIUOS common sense procedure to check the surfaces of any and ALL locking lugs.. Bolt guns semi autos you name it, if it has lugs under stress they need to make solid/significant contact.
Most of these whiny complaints that exist (concerning the "supposedly soft" receivers) are from people that are too lazy to assemble, and build a rifle correctly or from those that are in over their head in the experience dept. Also there are those complaints that are from "accredited" builders that don't want to work as hard as they might be required to, to make the Galil builds function correctly.. They just want to work on the traditional "easy" (traditionally and relatively speaking) stuff and make the gravy money..
Some very decent builders have built some lemon Galils on the available ORF receivers. They have admitted in the past that they built the Galils like "any other AK".. By doing this they over looked or skipped the step of checking the contact of BOTH of the the lugs.. Since the Galil uses a milled receiver, and the locking surfaces are part of this new made and available receiver; it basically makes the build a "Virgin" build. There are no lightly used "#s matching kits to slap together and simply verify head-space with a set of gauges.........
After looking at and handling my fair share of Galil rifles and kits alike, I can say that there seems to be a fairly wide variety of tolerances and small differences and changes it the original manufacturing of the Galill itself. Between Israel, Guatemala, and a few other countries that made, bought, sold, re-sold, used, serviced and sold them, there are small differences in the way parts will fit up and rifles will go together.
This definitely makes things a bit more tedious for builders and receiver manufacturers both. A one size fits all approach is the ONLY way to make a receiver both commercially workable/successful, and monetarily successful for the MFG Company. This virtually GUARENTEES that many things will have to be worked out and fitted during the process of any build...
Again ORF is the only manufacturer out there building these. Are they always perfect -no. But who is? ORF has always stood behind their products within reason. Yes the Galil builds take a lot more care and patience to build - that is a given. Yes they do require a decent amount of hand fitting and nursing, but something worth doing is worth doing correct right? They do indeed take quite a bit more elbow grease to get right. Every different type of Firearm build has its own quirks. From a "builders perspective" they are tougher and your turn-around time is longer. If a builder is used to "easy money" builds the ORF receivers are not for them.. But if the builder does their due diligence and charges accordingly there is little for anybody to worry about.
Am I an ORF fan boy? No, I have had a few minor issues with a couple of things in the past, and things were always worked out amicably. I once even lost an entire couple of days because of a scheduling mix up. I do own 4 of their products and have had MINIMAL issues (honestly piddly issues)..
If there were an accredited unbiased "survey and or study" of these supposedly "soft" or otherwise disastrously defective Galil / Yugo M-76 receivers, then maybe I would be doubtful of the builds that I have.
As of yet NONE of these clear and definitive controlled studies (or any other solid evidence or proof) has ever been presented.
The only thing that has surfaced thus far is a bunch of hot air ,sponsored and biased mudslinging, "interwebnet" recycled rumors and hearsay. It is easy to piss and moan anonymously on the net. That is why people do it so much, they cannot be held accountable. Yet these same impossible to appease/please people expect everyone else alive and in existence to be held accountable for any and all things they feel relevant at the time.
At the end of the day feelings and "hunches" don't mean squat, period. Facts and documented evidence rule the day.
It's a free country, and the choice is ultimately yours. Research your purchases well, take all heated and exited "band wagon" advice with the prescribed dosing of salt, do your homework and dig down and contact CREDIBLE individuals (industry representatives , business owners, employees etc) yourself and make a carefully weighted decision based on the factual evidence at hand.
---APB"
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