Mossberg/UZI America Galil Import

mcsar1

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I'm a newbie here on Uzi Talk but have been on the Falfiles and Valmet forums for quite awhile. I am certainly not a newcomer to Galils. The following information is from a project I started after purchasing a Mossberg Galil import and my wanting to know more about it. Please feel free to add to or correct any of the content.

In the 1990’s the IDF decided to stop military production of their Galil rifles and adopt the Colt M16 series as their principal individual small arm for all branches of the IDF. The factors considered were size, weight,and price. They could get M-16s for free from the US Government. This started IMI looking for an export outlet for their Galil rifles as a source of hard currency.

The GFCC / ARMEX galil receivers were all manufactured by IMI in Israel for O. F. Mossberg & Sons, Inc. of North Haven, CT.(aka UZI America). They were so marked and were going to be sold as “Sporter” rifles with no muzzle device and fixed wood stocks similar to the Draganov. Both 5.56 mm and 7.62 mm rifles were in the works, and they imported about three hundred barreled receivers (with 1 in 7 twist chrome lined barrels, trigger guards and feed ramps already installed by IMI) to begin the manufacturing process.

This was all being done in the height of the Clinton era and both houses of the congress were very anti firearm at the time. Sometime during this manufacturing process, Mossberg was given an ultimatum by some members of the Congress. “If you try and go around our idea of what the existing gun laws and executive orders mean in regards to the importation and sales of weapons that we find offensive, you may lose all of your US military contracts.” As a major supplier of shotguns to the DOD, this loss of income would have put Mossberg out of business.

In light of this very real threat, Mossberg decided that discretion and financial stability was far better than valor and bankruptcy. They sat on the barreled receivers for a few years to let the dust settle, and to ensure that they received several very large US Military contracts, then they machined their names off of the receivers and sold them to the highest bidder (GFCC Co in Sacramento CA which eventually became New Helvetica Manufacturing) as one large lot.

These rare rifles (some completed by IMI in Israel and some by GFCC) and the incomplete barreled receivers (with only the barrel, feedramp and trigger guard installed) are REAL, original IMI Galil rifles built from original IMI parts.

The next question is their value. After going through dozens of old postings on the Internet from as far back as the mid nineties, the barreled receivers originally sold for $250 to $500. These were considered post '89 but pre '94 manufacture which essentially makes them "post ban" weapons as far as the Assault Weapons Ban is concerned. However, there seems to be several different interpretations of the AWB in regards to when a weapon or receiver was imported and when it was actually assembled into a functioning weapon. This is the area where the Mossbergs really get confusing. All of the info I've found so far show the "original" IMI/Mossberg receivers were made between 1987 and 1989 and were imported during that period. Since Mossberg held them in storage until 1994 (possibly as late as 1997 according to the Mossberg historian) when they were sold to GFCC, the barreled receivers couldn't have been completed until after 1994, yet there is evidence that some IMI completed rifles were imported by Mossberg prior to 1989. If this is the case then could these be considered pre-bans? Again, as to value, I've seen numerous old auctions and forum posts claiming that unfinished Mossberg receivers have sold for $1000 to $1600. Completed rifles pose an entirely new situation as these appear to be the rarest Galils to ever enter the U.S. and even fewer in civilian hands as Mossberg intended and advertised these as "LE Sales Only". Clink on this link for an original Mossberg/UA brochure: http://files.uzitalk.com/reference/literature/catalogs/1998uziamerica.pdf. I also want to add that conversations with the Mossberg legal department and their historian have basically been fruitless as far as gaining more information regarding these rifles and especially UZI AMERICA. As I was told, this chapter in the Mossberg story lasted only three years and it was an event that was best left forgotten.

Based on this research (my own as well as many other contributors), I present the following list based on the rarity of each Galil import, going from most to least:

1. Galil SAR, AR or ARM with O.F.Mossberg & Sons Inc., North Haven, CT engraved on left side
2. same as above BUT O.F.Mossberg & Sons Inc. has been milled off. No other import name was observed
3. same as #2 but with UZI AMERICA North Haven, CT engraved on left side
4. Galil SAR, AR or ARM with GALIL SPORTER, IMI ISRAEL and 3 digit serial number (001 to 300) engraved on left side. Importer name is GFCC SAC CA
5. Galil SAR, AR or ARM with GALIL SPORTER, IMI ISRAEL and 8 digit serial number (unknown range) engraved on left side. Importer name is NHM SAC CA
6. Galil SAR, AR or ARM imported by Springfield Armory. no other details at this time.
7. Galil SAR, AR or ARM imported by Magnum Research. no other details at this time.
8. Galil SAR, AR or ARM imported by Action Arms. no other details at this time.

Now before I get crucified, please be aware that this research is a work in progress and there are still more variations (such as "sporter", "SPORTER", a large S or a small S), but I think my list is accurate as far as IMPORTERS are concerned. If anyone out there has any new or different info regarding the IMI/Mossberg Galils, I would appreciate your posting that info.
 

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My info isn't as extensive, but it contradicts that these receivers are the rarest out there or that Mossberg only imported a few hundred barreled receivers.
Mossberg is known to have had a contract with IMI to import Select-fires for Law Enforcement, while importing some receivers on the side, but I don't believe that planned on building complete rifles from them. The Barreled receivers were essentially paperweights back then since there were no kits available, making me guess that they were imported to be used as parts replacements if a Barrel wore out or a receiver cracked. Most examples I've seen of the Mossberg receivered rifles were kit-builds, with barrels that I'm almost positive were already threaded, which wouldn't make sense for a non-threaded sporting rifle idea.

In a collector's point of view, they aren't much more than a step-up from an ORF kit build and don't hold the same value as an AA or MR rifle.
The rarest of the rare is probably the first 100 Galils that were ever imported, which featured different markings (Which vary, I didn't save any picture evidence of the ones I've seen) and riveted ejectors which you could see on the left-side.
The rarest rifle itself I ever saw was an Action Arms Model 332S, which was probably a one-of-a-kind.
The rarest model goes to the MR 332 SAR rifle, which were supposed to be 20-inch ARM Galils, but instead had barrels chopped to 16 inches with an AR gas block and handguard (Attached Pic). Theres also an ARM example of the same model # with the same chopped barrel here, which renders the attachment of a bayonet useless due to the lack of length (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9B9VYEOStcE)

Here's my research if you want to compare:http://www.mediafire.com/?zxmqnrdd298jbfl
 

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To me, the IMI sporter receivers, while pretty rare to find, would never be as valuable as a true IMI factory built preban rifle. And the billboard sized markings is a huge distraction from the aesthetics of the rifle.
 

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Mr Folgers: first let me say that I respect your knowledge on just about everything involving firearms as I've read numerous posts by you as well as seen a lot of your research. As I said, this post is a work in progress and I was very disappointed with the response from Mossberg. In regards to your statement "I don't believe that planned on building complete rifles from them", I respectfully disagree based on limited comments from Mossberg as well as published photos of completed weapons brandishing the Mossberg name. I do concede that many, if not most, of these barreled receivers were sold incomplete by GFCC and their predecessors and completed by "who the hell knows". As to rarity, I am well aware that there are many "one-offs" out there and I was merely trying to find a place for the Mossbergs.

In reply to Darkest2000, I fully agree that the "billboard sized markings" are ooooogly, however as the owner of five Galils (three Action Arms, one Magnum Research and now the Mossberg), I have found the build quality on the Mossberg to be first rate and compares nicely with my four "real" Israeli Galils. The exterior finish is another matter and does NOT compare in anyway to the real Galils. The Mossberg will probably never demand the prices as Isreali built Galils, but they are unique and I like the fact that I happen to own one. MP
 

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Mcsar1,
Thanks for your post and welcome to Galil Talk. It's hard to believe how such a legendary rifle as the Galil has been so poorly documented. If you look at the rifles such as the Thompson Machine Gun, FN FAL and likes all the codes, proofmarks and serial numbers can be traced back to some type of origin. Yet so little is known about production dates, proof marks, factory codes etc on the Galil. To add to the mystic IMI/IWI has always kept tight lipped about the Galil.

I thought you post was very informative and I liked your conclusion based on your personal research. I have done quite a bit of research myself into the Galil and know how frustrating it can be with the limited information found on the Galil. I have always heard of the Mossberg/Galil connection but your post was informative to help teach me about the limited history of the Galil in the American market. On thing is for sure,that your research is backed up by today's current market prices on these barrel/recievers and completed rifles. Yikes!

So your post makes me bring up some questions. If one where to own a early & rare Mossberg barreled recievers, would it be more valuable left in it's original state? or if you have a non-Israeli/Mossberg gunsmith make a rifle out of it would it forever destroy the collectors value of the barreled reciever?

Thanks for your contribution. Lou
 

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I have had 2 of the Mossberg Galil receivers, but neither had the large lettering on them. I think those were the earlier imported receivers and the large lettered receivers came after them.
 

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lcastillo: My personal opinion is that a completed rifle on a Mossberg barreled receiver (irregardless of who built it as long as it was a quality build) would in no way diminish the value. Look at it this way, you're already starting out with original IMI parts and would have to utilize original parts to complete the rifle as there are simply not many aftermarket Galil parts available. In order to be 922r compliant, you're going to have to use a Tapco G2 fire control group and a USA made muzzle brake however this still won't be fully compliant. I believe the Century Arms Golani also uses Green Mountain barrels to increase the parts count, but again, they also use surplus IMI parts for their builds. I didn't mean to get off subject a bit, but I thought the info might be of interest.

Back to your question: NO, I don't think there is much that would diminish the value of a Mossberg barreled receiver and I truly believe that their value is going to skyrocket once people realize just what they have.

BBQ: I completely agree with you and if you'll notice in my original post that I put the GFCC (with big lettering) at #4 and the NHM import ( also with big lettering) at #5. All of my research shows that the earliest Mossberg receivers had lettering that was approx. 1/16 to 3/32" inches tall and pressure rolled to a depth of .003. The GFCC sample that I have apparently had all of the Mossberg/UZI America lettering either milled or sanded off and new lettering of approx. 5/16" was apparently ENGRAVED over the original lettering. Rember, that as best that I can determine, ONLY Mossberg imported any of these receivers which were then remarked AFTER the sale to GFCC.
 
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I wanted to post some additional information that I received this morning from a rather lengthy and enjoyable conversation with Mr. Joe Bartozzi, Chief legal counsel at Mossberg. According to Joe, he is one of only three remaining Mossberg employees that was directly involved in the UZI America project and he provided some great info. In early 1990, Mossberg was to become the authorized USA distributor and repair facility for IMI products including the Baby Eagles, UZIs and Galils by establishing a new subsidiary called UZI America which operated out of the North Haven Ct plant. Joe confirmed that Mossberg dba UZI America was very successful with their sales of IMI handguns but due to US Government pressure, only a few hundred barreled Galil receivers were ever imported. While most of these were NEVER completed and were subsequently sold to GFCC, a few of these were completed (either by Mossberg or a local contractor, he couldn't remember) and sold as semi-auto "Galil Sporters" while the remainder were converted to select fire, marked "Law Enforcement Use Only" and sold to LE agencies. I asked Joe if he could give me the serial number range and the quantities actually built and he said that information was turned over to ATF when UZI America ceased operation in 1997. Joe told me he would get with Doug Mossberg as well as dig through their records to see if there was any more info available but he confirmed what Mossberg's historian Vic Havland told me that Mossburg was perfectly willing to let the UZI America project die and be forgotten.

My thanks to Joe Bartozzi of Mossberg and Vic Havland of Havland & Associates for thie assistance in this project.
 
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Great thread, yet another chapter in the History of the Galil Rifle that I hope one of you are writing.
 

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You might be able to submit a Freedom Of Information Request (FOIA) to the BATF and request the number of serial numbered receivers imported? I know that NFA guys often submit them to find out how many of a given type of weapon is in the NFA registery or the history of a weapon they own.
 

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Here is an UZI America ARM I acquired ~2years ago. It is all IMI parts including a 1 in 7 twist barrel. It is either unfired or very minimal rounds. The build quality looks the same as an IMI built rifle. Not sure who built it, but after reading this thread it sounds like it could be either UA or the 'contractor' alluded to on previous post.
 

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beautiful rifle Dee. I hope very soon that Galil collectors will realize that the Mossberg/UA Galils are every bit as good AND valuable as those imorted by "Magnum Research" or "Action Arms". I mean look at it this way, a Toyota made in Japan is still a Toyota no matter who imported it. I realize that most of the Mossbergs were essentially completed outside of their control and build quality definitely differs between builders but I stick by my assertion that they are STILL Galils using original IMI-made components and not something of questionable quality from Century or ORF.

Ps: if you'll email me the complete serial number on your rifle, I'll submit it to Joe Bartozzi at Mossberg to see if he can come up with anything on your particular rifle. MP
 

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I agree. I have a few other IMI factory rifles and without the UA markings it is impossible to tell the difference. It's built with the same parts and the workmanship (receiver, barrel fitting, riveting, finish, etc) is exactly on par.
It was a bargain,less than 60% of a factory IMI. It is not the same level as ORF based Century. Sorry but those rifles need serious fixing to be reliable functioning clones. (But on the flip side if Century built up a UA barreled receiver it would probably be a POS)
I'll pm the SN, I would really appreciate to know what you can find out from Mossberg...
Thanks!
 

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Dee. Your pictured Galil appears to have been built by someone other then Uzi America or one of the early builders. The folding stock is one of the later .308 stocks and not a .223 or early model .308 stock. Your gun therefore has to have the USA made compliant parts installed. Very nice gun either way. I would like to know the history of this rifle as it appears to possibly be the rifle I was involved with years ago with Dave Mitchner at Elite Firearms. Quite a lengthy post here concerning that whole rifle. Best of luck with your rifle.
 

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Dee: I agree with BBQ on the stock as it is definitely from the 308. Of course that's not to say that it still may be original to the rifle as Mossberg/UA had both 223 and 308 barreled receivers available and it woud stand to reason that they would also have parts for both. Strange things happen in the manufacturing world! I left your serial number with Joe Bartozzi's secretary this morning as Joe was out of the office. She assured me that she would get it to him asap so maybe we'll hear something next week. MP
 

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OK guys, I've got a bit more info concerning GFCC Inc which may be of interest. GFCC, was located at 2215 J Street in Sacramento California. This is apparently a residential/commercial area with both single and multi-family residences, warehouses and retail facilities. The founder of the company was Edward Faust who was also President/CEO of several other companies including the parent, Alpha America Trade Group Ltd. According to public records, the parent was incorporated in 1980 and dissolved in 2012. Interestingly, all of the businesses (at least five different names) were all located at the same address. I'm doing a search of records at the Sacramento Bee Newspaper in hopes of gaining more info.
 

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Dee. Your pictured Galil appears to have been built by someone other then Uzi America or one of the early builders. The folding stock is one of the later .308 stocks and not a .223 or early model .308 stock. Your gun therefore has to have the USA made compliant parts installed. Very nice gun either way. I would like to know the history of this rifle as it appears to possibly be the rifle I was involved with years ago with Dave Mitchner at Elite Firearms. Quite a lengthy post here concerning that whole rifle. Best of luck with your rifle.
The stock is similar to the stocks that Blackthorne sold (polymer frame with a pad). My 308 IMI has a 'standard stock' (ie aluminum frame) with an integral rubber buttpad- which is different from this example. This rifle has the standard semi-auto internals -IMI semi trigger group/springs and push to fire safety. I've compared to an IMI 223 ARM -all the same. Except for the later vintage stock, all the internals look like factory semi IMI.
God help me if it was touched by Dave Michner. My experiences with him are bad to say the least.
 
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