Messy Uzi Model A--what am I looking at here?

[Machines]

Semi-auto IMI Uzi Model A from about 1983. This was supposed to be my first Uzi, but as soon as I got my hands on it something didn't look right. Really didn't look right after the detail strip. Is there another explanation or does this gun appear to have been nearly "converted" and then un-converted in the past?

-The forward 1" of the blocking rail appears to have been sawed off and then welded back on. You can see a saw cut under the weld if you look carefully.
-The selector block in the lower seems to have been removed, and then a replacement welded back on.
-A third position was ground into selector
-A third mark was ground into the outside of the lower
-Not in the same vein, but the barrel has two blind holes drilled in near the muzzle.

Seller (from Armslist but a member of this site) has agreed to take it back and refund my money.

 

[MPA guy]

Prior to 1986, it was legal to convert a gun to FA. This one may have been and then back to semi. Who knows?

The dimples at the muzzle were probably to allow some old set screw style muzzlebrake at some point to be mounted since the barrel isn't threaded.

I don't pretend know what all the other beat marks on the barrel are from.

 

[root]

I would agree the gun probably had a reg bolt or might have been converted to a post sample then back to semi for a faster sell.

Or was never legal in the 1st place and converted back to semi to sell.

I passed on a bushmaster that had the 3rd hole JB welded or something another and the FFL told me it was legal since the hole had been filled.

Filled bad enough to notice and even FUGLIER on the inside with the shelf work ( dremmel ).

As far as the status of this model A only the person who did the work back and forth will really know the true story.

Rich

 

[Machines]

Yeah, I'll never know the story. I just wanted to confirm this is what I think it is. Gun was supposed to be in excellent condition with only cosmetic wear.

 

[MGMAN45]

Damn that looks bad.

 

[FNP90]

I’d get my money back.

 

[Machines]

Right now I'm just hoping I do see my money again.

 

[rybread]

That is other than excellent condition- good luck, try again.

 

[ole442]

Seller (from Armslist but a member of this site) has agreed to take it back and refund my money.

Hopefully, not a long time member!!

 

[Coctailer]

If he offered to refund, then he is doing the honorable thing.

 

[BWE Firearms]

Looks like an illegally converted SMG to me.

 

[Mackjack]

Looks like an illegally converted SMG to me.

With set screw marks on the barrel from a homemade supressor

And hammer marks from tapping it off

 

[Machines]

Little update. After reading Dave's book, it looks like the top cover's cocking slot was ground longer too. This thing's a mess. Still waiting to hear back from the seller about getting the return moving.

 

[Machines]

No word from the seller in almost ten days. So at this point what's the next step? Police? Postal inspector? ATF branch office?

 

[MPA guy]

If you paid with plastic, contact the seller one last time and let him know that if you don't hear back from him within 48 hours, you'll dispute the charges.

If it's a money order, you'll have to contact the post office to see what the next step is. Technically, I guess you did get the item he sold, though it does not seem to match the "excellent condition" that it was advertised with, so maybe gunbroker can offer further advice.

I'd love to be able to help you, but I don't know what more advice to offer.

 

[JoeBee]

Good luck with Gun Broker. In my experience, they offer little help. Hopefully you paid with a credit card so you can dispute the charges. If you believe there is a possible NFA violation, you should let him know there could be trouble coming down the track

 

[pjm204]

It says in the first post he got it off Armslist which almost assuredly means he paid with a money order and has essentially no recourse.

 

[rentprop1]

you at least need to post the members name so other may have the choice to avoid or proceed with caution in the future

 

[Quake Guy]

call ATF on a possible NFA violation for a gun that is in your possession, LOL... where do you guys get this stuff. Best case they come get it and you never see the gun or ATF again. Worst case is the same, except you see a lot of the ATF.

My buddy and I got scammed by a SOT who sold the same cans multiple times. He sold at least one machine gun for $20k or so that he never delivered. There were at least a half dozen other people scammed. ATF didn't care, they just refunded me my $200 because they approved the same can twice. They referred me to the atty general for my state, they were not going to do anything besides revoke his license and I never heard if that happened.

Find how much it would cost to make the gun right and move on if he doesn't get back to you. There is a reason fraud is so rampant, nobody in LE cares unless it hits the six digit mark.

 

[tonelar]

With what original IMI's are worth these days, bringing it to a competent uzi-smith might not be out of the question.

Just a thought.