Mag adapter for galil (SAR) question

Bunker Buster

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Hi,

I like to know if the mag adapter will fit my Galil SAR (full auto version). Appreciate if somebody have actually use one w/no problem.

Here is the web address and article about the mag adapter:

http://www.remtek.com/arms/imi/galil/index.htm

"An optional magazine adapter allows the use of 20- and 30-round M16 magazines. Unfortunately, the magazine wells of the semiautomatic and selective-fire Galils are of different dimensions and the adapter supplied by IMI can be fitted only to the semiautomatic version. Why this is so I do not know. However, the adapter is well-designed and the magazines can be inserted and released with no greater difficulty than in the M16"
 

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This seems strange to me.

AFAIK, IMI manufactured these adapters to be used with IDF forces full-auto Galils and were sold in the civilian semi-auto market after the fact.
 
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I am confused. Dont the FA and SA Galils use the same Galil mags? If they use the same mag I am not sure how the adapter would NOT work unless it is different then the one I have. I have a SA Galil and an AR adapter. The adapter looks like the catches on the Galil mags. It then has a push button type release on the left side of the adaper to release the AR mag. The adapter can be inserted and removed with a mag in place but it is not very easy. I dont have any real good pics but here are a couple.

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Galil M16 mag adapters

I am not 100% sure on these, but from having fired both a semi Galil AR 5.56 and Select Fire SAR 5.56 at Action Arms's old test range in Philly back in 1986, there are three kinds of mag adapters. IMI made a military style mag adapter, which was very well made and had a safety keeper push pin, which prevented the user from activating the Galil flapper mag release and taking out the adpater and M16 mag....those are the best...and used to sell well over $350, and it had the standard side M16 mag release button on the right side. Many of the parts are highly machined and it was very heavy, with a dark parked finish. This model only fit the Semi Galil receiver.

The second model was an IMI adapter often seen in Action Arms boxes, which was just as heavy duty as the MILSPEC style described above, only it did not have the keeper pin to block the Galil receiver mag release. It was also heavy and well machined and dark parked. It fit only the semi Galil.

The third model is the one made by Magnum Research. I beleive it was made in the USA and it is actually not very pleasing to the eye, nor as durable. It was inexpensive, and when you remember that the Galil was one of the most expensive black rifles imported into the USA at the time, having something to allow shooters to fire existing and inexpensive AR15 mags was important. This model had an investment c ast body with front mag retainer made out of heavy sheet metal. You often find them still in the blue Magnum Research boxes.

The only Galil AR15 mag adapter I have ever seen in full auto Galils were used by a Special US Navy test Team in 1982-3. They had full auto Galil SAR's with a specially made side folding stock, not unlike the Mini Uzi, only with a heavy rubber butt adapter. All of the furniture was synthetic, and it used both a modified Colt M203 grenade launcher, tritium iron sights, Early Aimpoint sights mounted to the IMI scope mount that locked into the side of the receiver with a locking lever. All that I saw briefly also had special stainless steel silencers made by a company out of California. I was told the Galil's were a test item, and they were tested with a very early version of the Beta C Mag, which had a weak mag feed tower & the steel AR18 40 round magazine. Armalite was in business then, and the Sterling 40 round mags were the best feeding of all the AR mags.....not unlike the steel HK mags today. I also think they used a special steel 30 round AR mag that also fit the Chartered Industries of Singapore drum fed squad auto....which I do not remember the name of. The CIS rep at the time had a silencer equiped gun with a ton of mags....and he said CIS offered to replace every 30 round magazine in the Navy inventory if the Charter Industries gun was adopted for the SEALs.

Both the Galil's and the C mags were only used briefly. The CIS gun was never used beyond testing. The C mags were all thrown in the Dempsey Dumpster on the end of the range....where the marine gunners sorted them out.....a total of 50 mags. This is when AR nuts paid $500 for a C Mag, since they were only shown in Jane's Infantry weapons journals. The gunshows in Virginia and San Diego/LA had these C mags flooding the market back in 1986.

I can only imagine that the Galil mag adapter will only fit the semi model, since there is a long relief cut at the front of the receiver of the full auto Galil for the auto safety sear and cross pin. This is the area where the mag adapter does not fit into the full auto galil.....and it is the only real difference in the two models.

On the old Galil/Valmet web board there was a very nice comparison of all the models......I did not save any of the info.

I hope it is helpful.
 

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Outstanding information! Thanks.


So...the mag adapters were basically only intended for the US civilian market?


I have read where the IDF wanted to be able to use the increasingly plentiful M16 mags and so came up with a mag adapter for the Galil. (Seems this may not be the case.)
 

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Wow, that really cleared up the mag adapter confusion. Thank you very much NCISgunner!

Also appreciate various input from u guys too:beer
 

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So after reading that which was some very good reading I am still left with a couple questions.

Is there a difference between the mags in a semi auto and full auto Galils? If so how did so many semi auto get on the market. If the mags are the same were the adapters made to lock up differently then the mag?

Now I am not sure what kind of adapter I have but there were many of them for sale on GB when I got mine a few years ago. I paid about $75 bucks for mine so I am sure it is nothing facny.

I wont be able to post it till next week but if anyone wants I can get good pics with dementions of my adapter.





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Here are the 5 known adapters that I have in my collection. Top two have the lockout pins

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That's a nice collection you have there, jmikesteen! Which one would fit the selective fire Galil SAR? (if you can include the brand name would be appreciated)
 

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That is a bit of the story that I never heard. For the life of me, I can't figure how a receiver could accept a magazine and not accept an adapter designed to fit the hole that the magazine goes in. You would need to ask NCISgunner I guess. He is for sure right about the top two types going for $350 at the end when no one but Dano had any.
Mike
 

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The two on the bottom left are the most commonly seen. They are exactly the same design just one has the Uzi logo and one does not. The one without the logo is more rare and the bulk of the adapters out there are the UA's. I have only seen one other adapter with the lockout for sale in the last 5 years and he was asking $350 and everyone was giving him a hard time. I don't know if it sold but I will tell you this. If I had to fight my Galils and had to use an adapter , I would gladly pay for the lockout type. After you have fired AK mag rifles, you automaticly go for the AK latch on recharge and then if all you got in your pocket is a AR mag, well, deep dodo.
 

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Alright mike,thanks for the display of your collections.Never thought there's so many types of the adapter. Wish I can attach a C-mag just like Nwcid.

BTW,NWcid, hows the C-mag? Are they better now?Heard before it wasn't reliable before? How much are they now?
 

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I have 2 Beta mags and both are great. I have one LE marked one and one newer ("post ban") one. I kept looking around and paid about $200 each for mine. Beta sells them direct for $242 so I wouldnt pay more elsewhere.

Both the ones I have are just have regular AR towers. I am looking at getting a 9mm one too for my Glock and Uzi once someone makes towers for them, or I can.





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A thread on Galil M16 mag adapter not fitting ORF Galils

Here is a thread link from Gunco's builder webite. Member from FLA does a great job of showing with pics how he modified the AR15 mag adapter to fit a ORF semi receiver.....the eearly ORF Galil receivers must have been made off Full Auto Galil receiver specs, as they showed same problems with the imi mag adapter....... Hope it is helpful.

http://www.gunco.net/forums/showthread.php?t=28610&page=11&highlight=galil+ar15+conversion+kit
 

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Galil AR-15 Magazine Adapter

Hey, does anyone know someone who would like to get one of the Galil magazine adapters to use USGI magazines? I have one, but the serial number of my galil is 00061, and they didnt wallow out the reciever to use those until after 00600 or so, so i cant use it. Hit me here or at Jimpashia71@yahoo.com if interested.
thanks,
Jim.
 

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jimpashia71 said:
Hey, does anyone know someone who would like to get one of the Galil magazine adapters to use USGI magazines? I have one, but the serial number of my galil is 00061, and they didnt wallow out the reciever to use those until after 00600 or so, so i cant use it. Hit me here or at Jimpashia71@yahoo.com if interested.
thanks,
Jim.

Are you aware that you can get the mag well opened to accept the mag adapter. I did mine myself at gunsmithing school. There is a fella here that goes by tenngalil, he's pretty good with galil's. you aught to look'em up.
 

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I'd like to point out that the information above isn't very accurate, speaking of course of the multi-paragraph history of the mag adapters. But I'd also like to point out that it does provide some good theories here and there.

There are more than just Two or Three mag adapters out there... there's lots of them! Picture was used in my Galil project that's still in the works. I believe the picture is the one jmikesteen previously had uploaded.
 

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Yes, that is a picture of my adapters. I didn't know the link was broken till I got a notice that there was posts on this old link.

Mike
 

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@Grunt71, well i have plenty of Galil Magazines (i got them right as everyone was starting to get into them, so i got them cheap) i have about 15 polymer/steel mags of regular capacity and have 3-50 rounders, and now that TAPCO is making magazines, i have a couple of those so i really dont need the adapter, so i am willing to sell it to someone who would want it, unless they happen to have an Stormworkz UZI scope mount top cover they wanted to trade for it.
 
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