M11/15 Prototype

[MPA guy]

I meant stripped uppers. Despite saying otherwise in the last paragraph.

 

[Gaujo]

Wow everybody is excited. Me too! Let's give these guys our encouragement and space to make the magic.

Imagine taking this on and the first thing everyone says is when will it be ready and when can make it for the 10, and it better have this or that or not cost more than so much. We've got a bunch of community focused makers, who make high q stuff for fair prices, not at all like AA. 3 cheers!

 

[Ericoak]

This is me to a "tee".

I was going to buy a saber and supply my own parts (remember, sandy hook had just happened and just finding AR parts to complete the upper was near impossible at the time but I already had them).

Quoted me a price around $1400 I think if I supplied the AR parts. I was willing to do that, even though that was still steep in my opinion. Machine time for a receiver and anodizing still had a lot of meat on the bone for profit even at $800.

They kept hee-hawing around and pushing the deadline farther out and then sold the company, new owners almost doubled the price and obviously wouldn't honor the prior agreement so I walked away from it. But if Richard makes an M10 version, would seriously renew my interest.

I can see making some money on their product. And really, I have no problem with that. But just dont' try to make it all from me (I'm speaking about the saber, not Lage mfg).

For those that are saying "but M16's cost 20 grand" and are willing to pay more for an upper, doesn't really make too much sense either. It's still just an upper. Not a registered receiver. So, I don't treat it as a long term investment because it's not the same as a transferable receiver because it's not. It is what it is. An upper.

I understand the AR bolt would probably be modified with the longer extension from the task style buffer system. This could maybe be done by pinning an insert/extension into the rear of the bolt, but I would be more than willing to buy multiple stripped uppers and the other proprietary parts needed to work. So long as the price is reasonable.

At $900, I've bought 2 M10/9 uppers. And those were complete uppers. Make it so stripped lowers are affordable enough, and yeah, I'd be in for multiples so I could swap calibers easily enough. Though 223 or maybe blackout would be my primary interest.

$800 on 100 uppers, is nothing. They have to make a lot of money per upper to make it worthwhile.

 

[X-Ray Zulu]

Drilling a hole was no big deal, drilling the size SABRE called for HELL NO! I blocked it out with a couple of you guys last year and spoke to Garrett and put a heavy 3/8" like .385" ID.
I put the adapter on and eyeballed a sharpie dot in the center and used my battery drill motor with 3 successive bits... Plenty of room and I like the TASK option.

Except for some "same but different" stuff The Lage shop floor won't even know the difference. Then Richard will rough out the lines, the flow and the cool factor. It will be reduced to the two words for all the Lage products...
*** BAD ASS ***

 

[West_Texas_King]

I wonder if something like the Shrike handguard could be used to get the rail height even with the upper receiver rails.

 

[MPA guy]

$800 on 100 uppers, is nothing. They have to make a lot of money per upper to make it worthwhile.

I don't know where you came up with $800 for 100 uppers. I never said or implied anything like that.

Nor did I say they should give them away either.

I said STRIPPED UPPERS for a fair price.

As in, the customer buy the bolt, barrel, magazine, mag catch and other necessary parts separately?

This would also lower Richards bottom line because he wouldn't have to buy and stock all this stuff his self tying up his money long term to sell all of it and lets the customer tie up their own money. I'm sure that Jackie could appreciate that too

I'm not trying to paint anyone in a corner on price, and in the grand scheme of things, my opinion is pretty worthless. And in all fairness, Richard has done real good on pricing things fairly and what the "market" will bear.

But I can honestly see more sales by offering and selling a stripped upper combined with any proprietary parts needed as a kit.

And in turn would free up time that he and/or other employees would have to be devoting to assembling everything for those that want to build their own, which would free up his time be spent on whatever other operations he needs to concentrate on. Like actually making things or maybe even sneaking in the occasional well deserved nap.

Plus, I think we all know how much pride that we take in making and customizing our guns. Most of us prefer to build our own uppers. Selling stripped uppers and necessary components could be a huge opportunity for Lage inc.

 

[Ericoak]

I don't know where you came up with $800 for 100 uppers. I never said or implied anything like that.

Nor did I say they should give them away either.

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Plus, I think we all know how much pride that we take in making and customizing our guns. Selling stripped uppers and components could be a huge opportunity for Lage inc.

I agree getting the upper stripped would be nice.

 

[grezy]

I would just love to see one made for the M11A1, the receiver is so small it would almost be like a trigger pack , yes they're wasn't a lot of them made compared to the M 11 nine's in the Mac 10 s but there are whole lot of them out there and definitely a market for them , and if you made an upper like that , a lot of people if not everybody who owns one would definitely buy an upper JMHO

 

[gfunk]

Stripped upper w modified bolt (assuming a modified bolt would be needed) would be a nice option.

 

[ballistic1]

@Mak91..

First off, I must say that your generosity and support that you are demonstrating here
by sharing your design and allowing Lage and their marketing prowess to join in is
simply amazing.. Truly amazing.

I cannot wait to see it succeed.

 

[MPA guy]

^ Agreed. Thank you sir.

 

[gfunk]

^agree

 

[cockednlocked45]

Yes. Thank you. This will be great!

 

[X-Ray Zulu]

Richard has pioneered the "al a carte" upper, get it how you want it. Some guys build, some guys don't.
The particular "common" parts for this upper are stiitting on shelves all over America just waiting for a drop ship order, JIT Manufacturing.
There are a lot of talented driven folks on this forum. mak91 and M11stuff are just that example...
I posted this over a year ago on a thread here...

1) I think it could be fabricated from a unit about the size of the MAX 31.
2) I think it could still be able to split in half. (ease of manufacturing)
3) I think it should go through a weight loss program.
4) I would not change the already accepted BATFE configuration.
5) The BCG works. A access panel for cleaning would be helpful.
6) Keep the frame in a SIMPLE modular format, rails, forgrips, hollywood do-dads for whoever one wants to configure it. al-a-carte.
7) a gas block with a choke in it.
8) I also think a person with access to a CMM and a multiaxis machining center could make this an easy thing to do. (as compared to building a corvette engine).
9) I think Richard & a few others could do this in their sleep.
IMHO

 

[bigj480]

I would just love to see one made for the M11A1, the receiver is so small it would almost be like a trigger pack , yes they're wasn't a lot of them made compared to the M 11 nine's in the Mac 10 s but there are whole lot of them out there and definitely a market for them , and if you made an upper like that , a lot of people if not everybody who owns one would definitely buy an upper JMHO

I agree that an M11A1 would be the best host if it worked out but unless they can use the same internals as the M11/9 version I don't see that happening soon. It just makes sense to get the M11/9 versions moving first, expecially if they have to submit the two separately. I'm not sure about that. I'll be buying one of each for sure, one as a heavy build and one as a light build. People thought MACs were the best bang for the buck before, but a NICELY manufactured and approved rifle cal upper would change the game and raise values for sure. The Saber uppers just weren't quite there.

If this gets approved, the next step is a bullpup rifle upper and stock kit for the M11A1s.

 

[SwampMan]

I'll post one next week after I receive it.

Holy crap, this is actually happening!!!!!

I'm sure that you are going to try to make a version that doesn't require a hole to be drilled in the receiver. If you pull it off, I'm definitely buying one. Also, others have asked for a stripper receiver kit. Put me down for one of those as well.

I realize that nothing is a done deal and this could take years to get approval and produce, but just the fact that Richard is looking into it is the most exciting news in the MAC world since the introduction of the MAX-31. This is a MAC game changer that will multiply the value of our MAC investments (Not like I'd sell anyway).

 

[MPA guy]

I believe the hole in the receiver was pretty much required for designs such as these because they had to be installed on the lower receiver (the actual machinegun) to function.

Otherwise, the ATF could get the upper to fire without being on the receiver and would fail their protocol.

 

[IndustrialRescue]

I believe the hole in the receiver was pretty much required for designs such as these because they had to be installed on the lower receiver (the actual machinegun) to function.

Otherwise, the ATF could get the upper to fire without being on the receiver and would fail their protocol.

Yup. The only ones that were approved had a hole.

It's a MAC. Sure, it's a registered receiver, and pricy. But it's still a fugly, cheap, sheet metal MAC. I don't see what the big deal is with drilling the hole. And it's not particularly hard to weld it shut later.

Oh the nooooes! I have a hole in the back of something that's STILL gaining value every day. And oh dear, now I can shoot 5.56. Whatever will I do?

 

[SwampMan]

Oh the nooooes! I have a hole in the back of something that's STILL gaining value every day. And oh dear, now I can shoot 5.56. Whatever will I do?

You're right. If Lage gets an AR type upper approved and it requires a hole, I'll probably still get one. It only hurts for a little bit, right?

 

[ScottinTexas]

Lage should just sell us a $10 item called the "Buttplug"; a 10 cent rubber plug to fill that unsightly hole in the back of your M11/9 you had to drill for that M11/15 upper.

That's all I can contribute to this endeavor.