I’m I the only one that wants a Mac90?

[thelastdinosaurs.com]

Is it just me or would A Mac that takes P90 magazines be awesome?

 

[Knife Wounds]

Well it would look cool and cost too damn much to shoot it. How about 7.62x39 instead.

 

[john-g]

Well it would look cool and cost too damn much to shoot it. How about 7.62x39 instead.

+1
Not a barrel swap lage either.
A dedicated upper that takes real ak mags,hopeful that redneck eng comes through with his upper.

 

[M10]

+1
Not a barrel swap lage either.
A dedicated upper that takes real ak mags,hopeful that redneck eng comes through with his upper.

If you're going to do an AK type upper that takes AK mags, PLEASE make it stamped metal with an AK-style trunion.

 

[Galil#1]

?? The one with the silly ass butthole stock? If so, indeed all yours friend lol!

 

[booger hooker]

That's a MAK90 with the "silly ass butthole stock"...not a MAC90.

 

[planigan]

I’ve always though it would be awesome to have a MAC43 that takes PPS-43 mags and shoots 7.62x25 Tokarev. MAC90 would be pretty cool too!

 

[Galil#1]

That's a MAK90 with the "silly ass butthole stock"...not a MAC90.

O my bad, a wise man you are Sir!

 

[M10]

That's a MAK90 with the "silly ass butthole stock"...not a MAC90.

Yep. The MAK is often mistakenly called a "Mac90." Perhaps a less confusing name is in order.

I cannot fathom the desire to have a 5.7 MAC, but, I suppose someone out there has a pile of that ammo.

 

[Deerhurst]

5.7 is pointless and useless and FN should feel bad that they even thought it up.

 

[challenger70rt]

I actually thought of doing a 5.7 Mac with a cmmg RDB kit, and their 40 rd mags just to do something a little different, but the ammo cost is very steep to get a round that is significantly less powerful then a 5.56, so I haven’t just because of the pointlessness of it.

 

[sniperdoc]

The 5.7 is ballistically similar to the .22 Hornet. Not sure how useful a full auto .22 Hornet would be.

 

[SHURESHOT]

Didn't someone make a .22tcm one. Well tried and ran into multiple issues as I recall. It would have a cool factor for being loud and no recoil.

 

[Member13]

5.7 is pointless and useless and FN should feel bad that they even thought it up.

small footprint, high velocity, flat trajectory, low recoil, shitty mag capacity......totally useless in real world situations

 

[Deerhurst]

small footprint, high velocity, flat trajectory, low recoil, shitty mag capacity......totally useless in real world situations

What makes it useless is it's ability to take down targets. Yes, it's flat(ish), recoil is excessive for what it is (especially in a P90 which is obnoxiously sharp), lots in a mag for sure but it has a very low ability to stop threats in the real world. The projectile known for armor penetration is no longer available and the energy transfer is very poor due to the high velocity and small surface area of the projectile. Basically poke a bunch of holes with little damage to sorrounding tissue. Lots of real world documentation (not armchair commandos) that had to use it to save their lives in FA who needed 20-30+ rounds to neutralize a target and scrapped it completely when back to safety to go back to the MP5 and 9mm.

It's fine for rabbits, paper and steel targets. Useless when it really counts which is why almost nobody in the world adopted it. It's excessively expensive for it's uses and requires a laqure on a brass casing for the firearm to function reliably. It's like 1940s Italian firearm design all over again! 5.7 doesn't do anything I wouldn't use 22 mag for.

I was very interested in it when it was announced but after careful research I have found it to be basically useless. I even own 32ACP guns, which I know of several attempts of suicide where the bullet just got caught under the scalp, and still found 5.7 to be not worth using.


Little more to the real world than fast, lots of rounds and a so so trajectory. If I need something fast and flat I'll go back to the 1930s and use Tokarev.

 

[Member13]

Lots of real world documentation (not armchair commandos)

we should get the opinion of Nidal Hasan victims...but all that were shot center of mass died (rip) and I know of only one that was there and he has never spoke to me about it. I asked him general questions and he has always avoided it.

 

[ATCDoktor]

we should get the opinion of Nidal Hasan victims...but all that were shot center of mass died (rip) and I know of only one that was there and he has never spoke to me about it. I asked him general questions and he has always avoided it.

Not to derail this thread into a caliber wars mess but there’s plenty of testimony from the soldiers that were wounded by Hassan on the internet:

Nearly all of the witnesses testified when the shooting began they thought it was a training exercise. Even as some were hit, they thought they were hit by paintballs, until they noticed blood.

https://www.kut.org/texas/2013-08-09/graphic-testimony-continues-in-hasan-court-martial

The soldier testifying in this article was shot 4 times including once in the head (resulting in 20% of his brain being removed) and he lived to testify.
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/26/nidal-hasan-trial-fort-hood-jury-hears-soldier-sho/

 

[Gaujo]

What makes it useless is it's ability to take down targets. Yes, it's flat(ish), recoil is excessive for what it is (especially in a P90 which is obnoxiously sharp), lots in a mag for sure but it has a very low ability to stop threats in the real world. The projectile known for armor penetration is no longer available and the energy transfer is very poor due to the high velocity and small surface area of the projectile. Basically poke a bunch of holes with little damage to sorrounding tissue. Lots of real world documentation (not armchair commandos) that had to use it to save their lives in FA who needed 20-30+ rounds to neutralize a target and scrapped it completely when back to safety to go back to the MP5 and 9mm.

It's fine for rabbits, paper and steel targets. Useless when it really counts which is why almost nobody in the world adopted it. It's excessively expensive for it's uses and requires a laqure on a brass casing for the firearm to function reliably. It's like 1940s Italian firearm design all over again! 5.7 doesn't do anything I wouldn't use 22 mag for.

I was very interested in it when it was announced but after careful research I have found it to be basically useless. I even own 32ACP guns, which I know of several attempts of suicide where the bullet just got caught under the scalp, and still found 5.7 to be not worth using.


Little more to the real world than fast, lots of rounds and a so so trajectory. If I need something fast and flat I'll go back to the 1930s and use Tokarev.

When you get to the 1930e, grab me two new Thompson's please.

 

[A&S Conversions]

My wife loves her PS90 SBR. There are 5.7 uppers for the AR that can be run on a M16. Such an upper wound function on a Tenko adapter. There are those who will argue that since the Tenko adapter is not currently available, it doesn't count. But this thread is about the future. Could a 5.7 upper be made specifically made for a Mac style RR? Absolutely, the question is, how many would actually buy one? Spreading the development costs over 25 or 50 units would not be realistic. Could a Lage Max-15 be modified using 5.7 AR upper parts? I would think so, but I would guess that it would be another $2,000 to $3,000 in custom work and parts above the cost of a Max-15 upper.

Both 5.7 and 7.62x39 with AR mags would be available immediately, once the Tenko was approved. We plan to adapt several different firearm mechanisms to the Mac style family of RRs. One of which would be the AK mechanism using what would appear to be an AK barreled receiver with the bottom rear of the receiver/fire control missing that would use AK mags, hand guards/rails. I think it could be done with the barreled trunnion being replaceable. So it would not be a "one trick pony". But that is a discussion for another day.

Scott

 

[ccosby]

Yea the ps90 sbr or a p90 in full auto is a really fun little gun. The p90 in full auto just handles great.

Not really sure if I'd want a mac upper for it though. Honestly something belt fed in 9mm or 22 made for it(even a 22 upper that takes am180 mags) would be something I think that would do better.