Help me price this Reising...

[widz77]

What would a Reising like this be priced at?
H&R Reising, blued, in excellent condition with serial number range 110XX, form 3. Comes with 3 factory mags, 2 - 20 rounders and 1 -12 rounder.
What kind of price would be needed to sell it with in day?

[Edited by MuzzleFlash to scale pics to viewable size]

original pics:
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[SubGunFan]

$3500 to $4000............

 

[ptrthgr8]

Yup, agreed. $3500-$4000 would easily have that Reising sold in little time.

As an aside, those photos are monstrously huge. You might want to edit them a bit so people can actually see all of each image without needing to scroll all over the place.

Cheers,

~ Greg ~

 

[rentexecutive@comcast.net]

What would a Reising like this be priced at?
H&R Reising, blued, in excellent condition with serial number range 110XX, form 3. Comes with 3 factory mags, 2 - 20 rounders and 1 -12 rounder.
What kind of price would be needed to sell it with in day?

Is stock original with original finish? I've seen really nicely original blued guns before but the appearance of the stock leaves me guessing.

If its all original parts and condition you could probably easily get top dollar for it

 

[widz77]

Thanks for the input. It is a shame I cant keep it as I was told by my dealer that it was the nicest one he has ever seen, and he has been around a while. I had to take it to make a bigger deal happen..... me getting my transferable AK I did try to shrink the pictures.... I dont think it worked out so well. Anyway thanks again for the input.

 

[MuzzleFlash]

widz77

I edited your original post to make the pics easier to view.

 

[Asmodeous]

It doesn't have the original rear sight screw, and the replacement wrong screw is blued the same as the rest of the gun, the compensator is not installed correctly, the stock doesn't have swivels (and at the serial# it likely would), an original gun at that serial number would most likely have had a 12-round mag well; it also has 1st model takedown screw.

I would say that it's a rebuilt, reblued gun, with mismatched parts and would value it as a shooter, not a collector.

 

[az paul]

Nice looker!! It's a shame you have to part with it.

 

[rentexecutive@comcast.net]

It doesn't have the original rear sight screw, and the replacement wrong screw is blued the same as the rest of the gun, the compensator is not installed correctly, the stock doesn't have swivels (and at the serial# it likely would), an original gun at that serial number would most likely have had a 12-round mag well; it also has 1st model takedown screw.

I would say that it's a rebuilt, reblued gun, with mismatched parts and would value it as a shooter, not a collector.

You must have a keen eye or some source of knowledge that I'm not up on.
I've seen blued guns look as good as this one and the clarity of the rollmarks don't give me any indication of a reblue. Also curious, what do you see wrong with the comp?

 

[Asmodeous]

You must have a keen eye or some source of knowledge that I'm not up on.
I've seen blued guns look as good as this one and the clarity of the rollmarks don't give me any indication of a reblue. Also curious, what do you see wrong with the comp?

The screw mounting of the rear sight is wrong and it's blued exactly the same as the rest of the gun. I've seen many reblued guns just like that because the correct screw is hard to find; that's why I think it's a reblue, not the rollmarks, which range from deep to light even on pristine guns.

As far as the comp goes, the pictures show a noticible gap in the fitting. That shouldn't be there on a factory gun; the comp should blend smoothly to the wide part of the barrel where the front sight is mounted.

 

[tony k]

The screw mounting of the rear sight is wrong and it's blued exactly the same as the rest of the gun. I've seen many reblued guns just like that because the correct screw is hard to find; that's why I think it's a reblue, not the rollmarks, which range from deep to light even on pristine guns.

As far as the comp goes, the pictures show a noticible gap in the fitting. That shouldn't be there on a factory gun; the comp should blend smoothly to the wide part of the barrel where the front sight is mounted.

Asmodeous, I agree that the comp looks as if it has been replaced, or at least removed and reinstalled incorrectly.

However, with all due respect, I disagree on the rear sight issue (and thus on the rebluing conclusion).

Drawing on the books of Frank Iannamico, in "Submachine Guns of the U.S." he lists the serial number/year ranges as 1941 = 101 through 8500, 1942 = 8501 through 73600, etc. The Reising pictured above is listed as having serial number 110xx, which would make it a very early 1942 production gun. There is a good chance it was manufactured prior to the initial Feb. 26, 1942 contract with the Marines, and thus predate the Second Series changes that contract brought about.

The photos above show the correct trigger guard, 20-round-mag magwell, small takedown screw and no-screw, dovetailed rear sight which were used on almost all of the First Design Series Reisings. It wasn't until the Marine-contract redesign that H&R started adding a screw to the dovetailed sight.

A photo comparing the early, screwless rear sights with the Second Design screwed-on sight is on page 64 of Iannamico's "The Reising Submachine Gun Story."

From the photos the stock does appear to have possibly been refinished, but IMHO with the exception of the comp mess, the remaining metal parts are correct and I see nothing that indicates it was reblued.

As always, YMMV.

 

[widz77]

It doesn't have the original rear sight screw, and the replacement wrong screw is blued the same as the rest of the gun, the compensator is not installed correctly, the stock doesn't have swivels (and at the serial# it likely would), an original gun at that serial number would most likely have had a 12-round mag well; it also has 1st model takedown screw.

I would say that it's a rebuilt, reblued gun, with mismatched parts and would value it as a shooter, not a collector.

OK, here is the deal with Asmodeous..... I had a Lightning Link for sale about a year ago. He inquired and we sent several IMs and phone calls back and fourth. He said that he wanted it but had to wait 2 weeks for the money.... than he had to wait another few weeks and so on. Kind of just stringing it out. I would have preferred to sell it to him as he was a local guy but he finally said that if I had another buyer I should not hold it for him. I sold it to the next guy, as I passed up a previous offers holding it for him, and never heard from him again. No big deal, I could have cared less. A few months later I see a post started by him on AR15.com bitching about a buyer committing to him and then jerking him around before bailing on a deal. I couldn’t help myself so I threw in a post just saying "calling the kettle black aren’t we". Nothing else, I included no details and got no response. I didn’t care, I was just wanted him to know. I knew sooner or later he would stomp on one of my posts and here it is. Oh well, just a sore loser. I'm no Reising expert nor do I claim to be, actually I have never shot or even seen one in person. Now you all know why my Reising might have the wrong screw or a compensator installed incorrectly or that it is nothing more of a mismatched shooter, etc...
Sorry for the long winded post, if Asmodeous would have contributed anything constructive to this thread, other than trying to point out flaws, I would have kept my mouth shut.

 

[tony k]

widz77, I posted my differing take on your Reising's condition as a rebuttal of Asmodeous' comments.

I am not a Reising expert, either, but I've done some research, and I only felt it fair to note the two points on which I agreed with Asmodeous -- IMHO, the comp has indeed been installed incorrectly, and I do have some suspicions about the stock finish. Except for those two flaws, yours is a very, very nice, definitely collectible Reising that compares favorably to the majority of Reisings I have seen for sale lately.

I hope you do not consider my pointing out those two potential flaws as dumping on your gun, or trying to devalue something you're selling.

 

[widz77]

widz77, I posted my differing take on your Reising's condition as a rebuttal of Asmodeous' comments.

I am not a Reising expert, either, but I've done some research, and I only felt it fair to note the two points on which I agreed with Asmodeous -- IMHO, the comp has indeed been installed incorrectly, and I do have some suspicions about the stock finish. Except for those two flaws, yours is a very, very nice, definitely collectible Reising that compares favorably to the majority of Reisings I have seen for sale lately.

I hope you do not consider my pointing out those two potential flaws as dumping on your gun, or trying to devalue something you're selling.

Tony K,
I don’t mind at all, it opened up another discussion about my Reising. I'm appreciative of the info as well as the comments. I won’t dispute any of the information fellow board members have provided, because I honestly don’t know much about the Reising. I think it was just an opportunity for Asmodeous to stomp a little, I guess he thought I wouldn’t point it out. Again your input or discussion about my Reising is welcome.

 

[Asmodeous]

Aside from widz77's somewhat strange remembrance of his attempt to sell me a LL, the truth being that told him from the getgo I was waiting on incoming cash and not to hold the LL for me. He lowered the price, added incentives, and kept trying to get me to magically come up with cash I didn't have at the time (he seems to have forgotten that he kept calling me). He contacted me repeatedly for a couple of weeks, but things hadn't changed on my end. I didn't realize that he was some sort of lunatic; makes me glad I didn't make a deal with him.

My only error in describing this Reising is that I misread the serial number and thought it had 6 decimal places, not 5. From that I agree with tonyk's description.

No clue why the widz77 needed to get huffy, or make up that story about posting a comment in one of my threads on a completely different topic ( a firm I'll take it vs if I have the funds and you still have it I'll buy it); he didn't post it for sale here. And if widz77 can post any link to any post where I randomly stomp on someone, he should feel free to do so. I post at AR15.com as DavidC (my real name). I don't play pissant internet games.

widz77 has the gun posted on sturm for a pretty high price for what it is (more that he was advised it would sell for). More power to him if someone buys it at that price.

 

[widz77]

Aside from widz77's somewhat strange remembrance of his attempt to sell me a LL, the truth being that told him from the getgo I was waiting on incoming cash and not to hold the LL for me. He lowered the price, added incentives, and kept trying to get me to magically come up with cash I didn't have at the time (he seems to have forgotten that he kept calling me). He contacted me repeatedly for a couple of weeks, but things hadn't changed on my end. I didn't realize that he was some sort of lunatic; makes me glad I didn't make a deal with him.

My only error in describing this Reising is that I misread the serial number and thought it had 6 decimal places, not 5. From that I agree with tonyk's description.

No clue why the widz77 needed to get huffy, or make up that story about posting a comment in one of my threads on a completely different topic ( a firm I'll take it vs if I have the funds and you still have it I'll buy it); he didn't post it for sale here. And if widz77 can post any link to any post where I randomly stomp on someone, he should feel free to do so. I post at AR15.com as DavidC (my real name). I don't play pissant internet games.

widz77 has the gun posted on sturm for a pretty high price for what it is (more that he was advised it would sell for). More power to him if someone buys it at that price.

Before this gets out of control and the gloves come off I will put this to bed right now with out resorting to childish name calling. While I could question, argue and deny most of Asmodeous's reply I will defer and stand by my original comments made about my previous encounter with him. For the record my username on ar15.com is "rugby" and do a search for my posts.

Back on track to the Reising discussion.....

 

[rentexecutive@comcast.net]

Before this gets out of control and the gloves come off I will put this to bed right now with out resorting to childish name calling. While I could question, argue and deny most of Asmodeous's reply I will defer and stand by my original comments made about my previous encounter with him. For the record my username on ar15.com is "rugby" and do a search for my posts.

Back on track to the Reising discussion.....

I'll give you credit for noticing the compesator space between the barrel muzzle. Never notice that before on any guns I have brokered and would be curios why it is.

 

[Asmodeous]

Since there's no reason to play widz kiddie game, I will agree that there's no point to continuing this discussion especially since widz can't back up his accusation, which doesn't really matter, since that would presume I actually care what he thinks or belive his opinion has any validity. Internet character assination is a game some folks like to play, why they think their opinion matters, I have no idea.

I'll even agree that this a perfect example of an all original early 42 Reising and that anyone would be lucky to get the gun for the $4300 it's listed on sturm for.

BTW, though I don't know if this link will work for anyone who's not an AR15 Team member, here's the only thread I've ever posted about NFA buyers backing out of purchases. You can see there's no comment from widz77 (rugby) there, which gives you a pretty good idea of his veracity, since he claims to have posted in the thread.

http://archive.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=14&t=261603

And yes, I'm done with this thread. widz can spout whatever nonsense he chooses. Just keep that in mind should you choose to deal with him.

 

[MuzzleFlash]

This thread is closed. In the future, let's keep the discussions focused on the gun and leave the personal flaming stuff out of it.