Front Wrist Strap

[Stack]

It took me a little while to get used to the strap. It does feel a bit awkward at first but easily adapted to. The only complaint I really had was the heat on my hand.

In the end I opted for a heavy barrel with permanently affixed grip which is a bit more newbie friendly when in stock bullet hose mode. Got it from the now defunct WGA (anyone surprised?).

It's ugly but in a cute kinda way........

Sorry for the bad pic, good camera is locked up.

 

[Tommy Jones]

Oh, is this the n00b friendly thread? Tommy, can you put your Viper .45 on with the strap and hanger still on? What does PS mean? I like old school too, that's why I am considering the Viper .45. I am thinking that 147 grain 9mm is too much of a hassle, why not go with the already subsonic .45? About how much smaller is the Viper .45 than the old school Sionics? I like that it keeps that classic look.

Yes, you can mount the strap and the Viper .45 at the same time. The Viper .45 threads on to the barrell threads and locks onto a serrated locking collar, which is attached to the barell by three set screws. The locking collar butts up against the flat, slotted plate which the strap clips to.

 

[M1A....]

How does one use the wrist strap/front strap the best? I have been putting my fingers through it with my right hand and then holding the grip over my left hand (I shoot left handed). I was even having my right thumb around the grip, but now try fold the thumb forward. I have heard they were to hold onto to control vertical climb in full autos. What do you guys think? How do you use the front strap? I'd like to try different ways to see what works best for me.

Welcome to the forum!!

I was taught how to use the front strap from a long time and very knowledgable MAC shooter. The way I was taught, was to grab hold of it with my left hand, (I'm right handed.) and pull it into my right hand. I was told "not" to put my hand through the strap. So basically im gripping the strap with my left hand and pulling my left hand very tightly into my right hand. Makes a very stable platform and keeps my gun on target.

 

[M1A....]

For the rest of you (trolls), please don't let my n00b questions interupt you MAX circle jerk. Don't visit this thread maybe, or use the ignore function, I know I will!

:lol:lol I love it!! You're gonna fit right in!!!! :lol:lol

 

[garandman]

Quit the semantics, man up, and stop the bullshit! Going by your logic, I could say, "That MAY be true, but its the guy who IS using a VFG that will be the first to shoot his hand off using a VFG." Does that make it true? No! Come on. Be real.

LOL

Your statement is UNLIKELY TO BE TRUE because a VFG is a stable, unbendable, solid platform by which to control the muzzle end of a submachine gun bustin' out 1100 - 1300 RPM.

A flexible, cloth strap is not.

Therefore, my statement is true, and yours is improbable (but hey- ANYTHING is possible)

And when I come here, I'm ALWAYS being "real." :banana

 

[Vegas SMG]

I guess we haven't beat this horse to death... :dunno

I suspect most people who've never used both an OEM type strap and a rigid fore grip for a period of time won't have a clear feel for which is "better" and in this case, "better" is subjective. I've put in many thousands of rounds down range using both, and I prefer a rigid type grip when using the OEM upper. I like K grips on most of my weapons so I'm probably biased toward them.

The original fat MACs used a surplus M1 Garand sling, cut and sewn up to fit the hanger. It had to be cheap and effective to stay in line with the gun's cost, and it served both purposes well. I've shot all MAC variants with the OEM strap using several gripping methods and it offers much better control than a typical weak hand over strong hand grip most people use when shooting pistols.

In a close quarters, rapid deployment type of use for something like dignitary protection details, I'm betting there isn't time to correctly grasp and use the strap when the SHTF. One the other hand, a rigid rip could make covert concealment of the weapon more difficult. You give up one for the other.

For weekend warriors like us, I think most people will enjoy the extra control a rigid fore grip gives them over muzzle climb, but whatever floats your boat. I understand many owners enjoy their MACs in OEM configuration and there's much to be said for that. For casual high speed plinking or for use in competition, I'd rather use a rigid fore grip. That's my choice.

I've never felt the OEM strap was inherently dangerous. As with any weapon, situational awareness and muzzle discipline are imperative.

:lol:lol I love it!! You're gonna fit right in!!!! :lol:lol

He fit right in for a total of two days before he was banned.
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[piratesover40]

when I say noob to you new guys I'm not being disrespectful. We were all newbies at one time. Now if I'd said knob that would be disrespectful. Every new guy that comes here and ask the same two Q's 1. Is about thr front strap should it be used on FA and can I put one on a SA M11/9mm. The 2nd. and most hotley hammered into pleebs is ''NO'' you cna not make a FA gun of any kind unless you're a C2 with SOT. M1A you are right about the proper hold.:allright

 

[M1A....]

He fit right in for a total of two days before he was banned.

That was fast!

And I agree with you on the strap thing. Use whatever works for you. I just hate to hear the prolonging of the BS myths.

 

[garandman]

That was fast!

And I agree with you on the strap thing. Use whatever works for you. I just hate to hear the prolonging of the BS myths.

Which myth is that? The one about hard plastic providing a more rigid platform by which to control the muzzle end of a SMG spitting out 1300 RPM than a cloth strap does?

You do realize SMG's don't just have vertical linear muzzle rise, right? They also tend to move a bit left or right. Which a strap can do little about.

Be "old skool" if you want. I won't deny you the pleasure. But don't pretend a hard plastic / alum VFG doesn't provide greater control / safety than a cloth strap does. Don't pretend the vectors of force in a SMG are all linear.

Now THAT would be a myth. And I know how much you hate myths.

 

[creophus]

When I got my M11 the guy at the range insisted that he had seen "people" (implying more than one) get their hands shot by using the strap. I was new to MACs and didn't think he knew what he was talking about.

However, I did remove the strap before firing it in factory configuration.

 

[M1A....]

Which myth is that? The one about hard plastic providing a more rigid platform by which to control the muzzle end of a SMG spitting out 1300 RPM than a cloth strap does?

You do realize SMG's don't just have vertical linear muzzle rise, right? They also tend to move a bit left or right. Which a strap can do little about.

Be "old skool" if you want. I won't deny you the pleasure. But don't pretend a hard plastic / alum VFG doesn't provide greater control / safety than a cloth strap does. Don't pretend the vectors of force in a SMG are all linear.

Now THAT would be a myth. And I know how much you hate myths.

Keep on keepin on.:bang I'm liking it.

I'm just talking about the myth that the strap is dangerous. You like a VFG. I'm glad for you. Enjoy it. eace

 

[Remo Williams]

One of the first NFA weapons I had was a Powder Springs M10 in .45. I bought it 15 years ago from out of state sight unseen before purchase. When it arrived I discovered I had bought the "Export " version, which did not have a threaded barrel or the strap. Needless to say I was a little dissapointed. I already had an original suppressor waiting for it. So I bought a spare upper and an after market strap. But the strap was usually for show as I always shot with the suppressor on. But the great thing about a MAC or M16 is that you can swap out uppers to your favorite configuration whether that is tricked out or OEM.
As for someone shooting their own hand, the only post I have read was on this site in the Uzi section where a shooter had a rail on a mini Uzi with a verticle grip and the grip came loose from the rail during a burst. Look it up, he even posted pics. Ouch!!

 

[piratesover40]

One of the first NFA weapons I had was a Powder Springs M10 in .45. I bought it 15 years ago from out of state sight unseen before purchase. When it arrived I discovered I had bought the "Export " version, which did not have a threaded barrel or the strap. Needless to say I was a little dissapointed. I already had an original suppressor waiting for it. So I bought a spare upper and an after market strap. But the strap was usually for show as I always shot with the suppressor on. But the great thing about a MAC or M16 is that you can swap out uppers to your favorite configuration whether that is tricked out or OEM.
As for someone shooting their own hand, the only post I have read was on this site in the Uzi section where a shooter had a rail on a mini Uzi with a verticle grip and the grip came loose from the rail during a burst. Look it up, he even posted pics. Ouch!!

Srrms to me the only guns here with High accident rate are Uzi's. Like that kid last year.

 

[DistalRadius]

The strap works fine. A rigid foregrip works better.

How hard was that?

 

[garandman]

The strap works fine. A rigid foregrip works better.

How hard was that?

Not hard, but it totally lacks drama, panache, verve, intrigue.....

 

[piratesover40]

Not hard, but it totally lacks drama, panache, verve, intrigue.....

You really worry me. Sometime you really say some off the wall shit.

 

[garandman]

You really worry me. Sometime you really say some off the wall shit.

LOL....seriously, your comment made me LOL.... :thumbs_up

Considering I am (or was ) an accountant by trade....thanx for the compliment.

 

[piratesover40]

What can I say you are my hero Gman.

 

[garandman]

What can I say you are my hero Gman.

You need higher aspirations, friend..... :thumbs_up

 

[medphys]

It's ugly but in a cute kinda way......

Awww, come on, it's not THAT ugly. You're just missing the AR stock...