Converting Uzi FS to Mini

[Zohan]

I am thinking about converting one of my FS IMI Uzi MGs to Mini. Your thoughts and experience is appreciated.

 

[rhouston8]

man...Ive been thinking about doing that for a LONG time. I bookmarked this thread and hope to hear some good commentary...mainly I'd like to hear from owners of such guns or from guys that took this road and went thru the transformation. Can you can Katyln Jenner ? Hahahah

 

[slimshady]

There is a "how to" in the Library where someone cut down a full size shell and built it up as a Mini.

http://www.uzitalk.com/reference/pages/buildminiuzi.htm

Main issue these days is cost, a complete mini kit goes for around a grand. The big expense is the stock assembly, originals go for a lot of $$$ and the repros are not much cheaper.

 

[Vegas SMG]

Back when Vector was cranking out and selling transferable FS, FA guns for $3,000 and chopping a few for FA Minis, they took on at least one outside chop.

A local buddy and old time UT member sent them his FS IMI conversion and they chopped it down into a Mini. It wasn't nearly as nice as the GI receiver chop and welds Vector did, but he's got a transferable RR, IMI Mini Uzi.

 

[rhouston8]

There is a "how to" in the Library where someone cut down a full size shell and built it up as a Mini.

http://www.uzitalk.com/reference/pages/buildminiuzi.htm

Main issue these days is cost, a complete mini kit goes for around a grand. The big expense is the stock assembly, originals go for a lot of $$$ and the repros are not much cheaper.

I mean FA. A grand for a parts kit aint nothing! - relative to transferable MG prices these days. So sure...I'd do a Full size RR + a parts kit to a good smith to conjure up into a mini.

 

[Zohan]

I mean FA. A grand for a parts kit aint nothing! - relative to transferable MG prices these days. So sure...I'd do a Full size RR + a parts kit to a good smith to conjure up into a mini.

+1

If it was just 1k and done I'd even DIY It

Just FS RR is 15k now days 1k in mini FA parts
I d think very few smith got much experience to this type of surgery
you could get Caitlyn Jenner Uzi

 

[slimshady]

Skipped over the FA reference I guess.

A major issue I can see with cutting up a registered MG is the receiver is cut into several pieces then welded back together. Cutting up a receiver into several pieces is the ATF approved procedure for destroying an MG receiver so it can be imported as scrap metal. Doing "legal tricks" like leaving a sliver of metal attaching the pieces and folding it out of the way as the pieces are mated together again might be needed, otherwise ATF may consider you destroyed the registered receiver and made a "new" receiver out of the pieces. How did Vector do their minis in regards to this? I'd be VERY hesitant to cut up a registered receiver unless I had a letter from ATF detailing the procedure that would keep it's registered status after modification. You would need to amend the registration papers at least, I would think, since the model essentially changed to a Mini and any future transfers might be in jeopardy if the papers say full size and the gun is a mini...

 

[rhouston8]

^^^ all excellent points!

 

[blue70chevelle]

Skipped over the FA reference I guess.

A major issue I can see with cutting up a registered MG is the receiver is cut into several pieces then welded back together. Cutting up a receiver into several pieces is the ATF approved procedure for destroying an MG receiver so it can be imported as scrap metal. Doing "legal tricks" like leaving a sliver of metal attaching the pieces and folding it out of the way as the pieces are mated together again might be needed, otherwise ATF may consider you destroyed the registered receiver and made a "new" receiver out of the pieces. How did Vector do their minis in regards to this? I'd be VERY hesitant to cut up a registered receiver unless I had a letter from ATF detailing the procedure that would keep it's registered status after modification. You would need to amend the registration papers at least, I would think, since the model essentially changed to a Mini and any future transfers might be in jeopardy if the papers say full size and the gun is a mini...

ATF demil process requires 3 cuts. Just do one cut and reweld, then the next cut and reweld. If you never meet the required amount of cuts for demil at the same time, then it isnt properly demilled and will still be considered a machine gun the entire time..

 

[Liver]

ATF demil process requires 3 cuts. Just do one cut and reweld, then the next cut and reweld. If you never meet the required amount of cuts for demil at the same time, then it isnt properly demilled and will still be considered a machine gun the entire time..

ATF is very specific in the cut locations. I'm sure you can find it for the Uzi. I wouldn't worry about the ATF suddenly saying its demil just because of the cuts.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/machinegun-destruction

 

[Zohan]

it has ben done before w/o any problems from ATF.
i think BWE used to do, it and this service was offered on his website

 

[BWE Firearms]

I would not advise cutting down a transferable full size down to a Mini. Those guidelines for destroying receivers are for importation, not guns already in the country. When I destroy machineguns I cut them in my bandsaw in three pieces. ATF has seen them and never had a problem with them. You never know when ATF is going to change there mind and say they are now post samples.

 

[Zohan]

is no Mini MG made after 86 is safe? (no Vector is truly safe?)

was any Mini Uzis imported buy AA and made in to MGs? or made in US pre 86?

 

[DoorGunner]

I think you'll be better off (in the legal sense) just buying or trading for a Mini Uzi

 

[TexPaul]

is no Mini MG made after 86 is safe? (no Vector is truly safe?)

was any Mini Uzis imported buy AA and made in to MGs? or made in US pre 86?

My Mini Uzi is an IMI that was imported by AA. The markings on the left side of the receiver are identical to those shown in the Uzitalk library except that the serial number begins with "MC" instead of "MU". My Mini was converted by Billistics and is a registered bolt. The bolt is engraved with Billistics name and address and a serial number. There is also the letter "G" stamped on the bolt.

 

[Zohan]

from what i know IMI Mini was non imported in to US till 1987 ( after 86)

from what you are saying - u got a Semi Auto IMI MINI with "G" group industries uzi registered bolt.

Micro Uzi came in to US in 1984 and uses the same bolt - I suspect your bolt was made as SA and converted by Ballistics to FA per86

 

[RoverDave]

from what i know IMI Mini was non imported in to US till 1987 ( after 86)

from what you are saying - u got a Semi Auto IMI MINI with "G" group industries uzi registered bolt.

Micro Uzi came in to US in 1984 and uses the same bolt - I suspect your bolt was made as SA and converted by Ballistics to FA per86

You're correct that Action Arms imported the Mini UZI carbine after the 1986 ban on new civilian machine guns. Group Industries made Mini UZI open bolts, most of which they did not register themselves. I suspect the one he has is original Group Industries manufacture, not a conversion. I have an unregistered one that I can use as a spare part for my registered receiver Vector Mini.