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you may be right Shattered, i still think cost may be inhibitor for many people as with anything they buy what they can afford. Something else I wanted to point out its not very often you hear some one post about their new TASK set up but once or twice a week theres a new Lage guy. Lage appears to have re invented the mac for many people.
 

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I like the whole multiple gun thing:

Stock pistol config
Stock carbine config
Lage carbine config
Soon to be Lage 22lr config
 

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MrM4 said:
... its not very often you hear some one post about their new TASK set up but once or twice a week theres a new Lage guy. Lage appears to have re invented the mac for many people.


Agreed. The guys who are going to do the Task conversions have all already done it. It's the new guys who don't have the capability, time, or desire to do it themselves who are lined up for the Max series, and truthfully, I don't blame them. If I were just getting into the Mac game, this is the way I'd go also. Got to admit, it's a nice nosh.
 

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StealthyBlagga said:
Often things "feel" better, but that does not necessarily make it so. Decide on a test for the gun (a course of fire, if its a match gun), then shoot it multiple times with both configurations and let the impartial shot timer tell you which is actually better.

ETA: Please don't encourage him :lol
What's wrong Stealthy, can't take the truth?
 

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You DO realize that there are more modified Macs out there than Lage guns, don't you? People have been Slo-fire modifying these guns since 1999, which of course was Lage's reason for making his uppers. A ready market for those incapable of doing it themselves.

Only recently have I seen more Lage uppers at the Creek matches than the old slofire conversions... and mostly with all new people. People don't seem willing to part with the old Slo-fire guns for some reason.
The reason you see so many slow fire guns at Knob Creek, is because that particular match is set up for nothing but slow fire guns. Here in Florida, we have multiple stages set up at variable distances, to accomodate a variety of many different subguns. For instance, we have a shoot house or blind shoot, which is set up for fast paced CQB, which naturaly lends itself to the faster running guns. We also have the old town which is close and fased paced as well. In addition, we allow the use of the selector, which is vurtualy unheard of at any other subgun matches through out the country. To put it in simple terms, our sport has not progressed past the old slow running guns, that's why we see nothing but old slow running guns at subgun matches, throughout the country today. We here in Florida have moved past that mind set, and we set our stages up for multiple styles of subguns that run at more that one cyclic rate. If the matches throughout the country would adopt this same mind set, we would probably begin to see more than one or two differnt style subguns in these matches. And we would most likely begin to move forward, Instead of ultimate stagnation of a sport dominated by operators, who lack the ability to run anything faster than the old Stengun or Uzi.
 
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While there are som MAX-10 made of the MAC10. We're not talking about a MAC anyway we're talking about an M11. While it looks similar it's not a true MAC.
 

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Here in Florida......


Aw man, we hear this every 2-3 weeks from you Mac.

I personally beleive theres a few reasons the rest of the matches threwout the country are un like what you guys do. I dont know if i would call the courses you discribe as "progessing the sport" maybe more of a varition of the sport. I always get the feeling you think what you guys do in FL is some how better then everyone elses matchs, and that you think we just dont see the big picture. With all due respect Macaholic, I dont beleive its the rest of the country thats modifying their matchs to be set up for %90 of the SMGs out there, it sounds more like you guys are setting up your course of fire to fit the fast ROF that the Stock Mac is know for.

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MrM4 said:
Aw man, we hear this every 2-3 weeks from you Mac.

I personally beleive theres a few reasons the rest of the matches threwout the country are un like what you guys do. I dont know if i would call the courses you discribe as "progessing the sport" maybe more of a varition of the sport. I always get the feeling you think what you guys do in FL is some how better then everyone elses matchs, and that you think we just dont see the big picture. With all due respect Macaholic, I dont beleive its the rest of the country thats modifying their matchs to be set up for %90 of the SMGs out there, it sounds more like you guys are setting up your course of fire to fit the fast ROF that the Stock Mac is know for.

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macaholic said:
Well come shoot with us and see for yourself.
I have shot the Malabar match. In fact, we shot in the same class that day.

So why don't you tell the good folks how badly you beat me when I was shooting my old slow running Sterling Mk4 and you shooting the historically important Daniel's M11/NINE?
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Vegas SMG said:
I have shot the Malabar match. In fact, we shot in the same class that day.

So why don't you tell the good folks how badly you beat me when I was shooting my old slow running Sterling Mk4 and you shooting the historically important Daniel's M11/NINE?
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As I recall Vegas, You were gleefully bragging about beating me at that match, remember? Just for the record though, I was not running my Daniels 9mm, I was running my skinny Mac 380 that day. By the way, your invited to come shoot with us again if you like.
 
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equipment can give someone the edge, but it does not make them a better shooter. As it is often said, it is the operator, not the equipment. If you are good, you are good with most everything same goes to be said if you are bad.
 

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FOZ said:
I think its funny you use that term. Thats how many of us here see you

STFY

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Well, If you only knew the difference lad.
 
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While there are som MAX-10 made of the MAC10. We're not talking about a MAC anyway we're talking about an M11. While it looks similar it's not a true MAC.

If you want to be picky about it, there is no such thing as a MAC-10. MAC is a company. M10 is a gun. MAC-10 is slang.

I'm not sure why you keep trying to draw a distiction between the M10 and the M-11. They are two models from the same family of guns. No one but you seems to care that they are collectively refered to by the slang name "MACS". Why does it matter?

I think Macaholic is a big M-11/9 fan. Maybe the two of you need to duke it out to see what the "real MAC" really is. Reminds me of the old Mtv celebrity death match. It's every bit as important.
 

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If you want to be picky about it, there is no such thing as a MAC-10. MAC is a company. M10 is a gun. MAC-10 is slang.

I'm not sure why you keep trying to draw a distiction between the M10 and the M-11. They are two models from the same family of guns. No one but you seems to care that they are collectively refered to by the slang name "MACS". Why does it matter?

I think Macaholic is a big M-11/9 fan. Maybe the two of you need to duke it out to see what the "real MAC" really is. Reminds me of the old Mtv celebrity death match. It's every bit as important.
I think the point that Pirate is trying to make lies in the distinction between the Mac's produced prior to the Daniels guns, otherwise known as Cobray's or in the case of the 9mm, skinny Mac's. Which in certain circles, were somewhat veiwed as red headed step children in the eyes of some Mac enthusiast's. Obviously, I'm not one of those particular Mac enthusiast's. And although I'm of the opinion that the term Mac, can be and is applicable, to all Mac's previously produced before and after the SWD guns, I still respect and understand Pirates veiw point. There is no reason for he and I to duke anything out, in order to come to any conclusion. Furthermore, I'm very surrprized that you would even suggest such a thing, after all the progress we have made in personal communication on this site.
 
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Vegas SMG said:
I have shot the Malabar match. In fact, we shot in the same class that day.

So why don't you tell the good folks how badly you beat me when I was shooting my old slow running Sterling Mk4 and you shooting the historically important Daniel's M11/NINE?
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Do you mean you beat a MAC with a slow fire gun in a match that was either rate of fire neutral, or favored the faster firing guns? A progressive match that allows for the use of selectors and is friendly to the guns with the higher cyclic rate?

Say it isn't so Machoholic. I mean you almost had me converted. A couple more sips of Koolaid and I was going to torch my Max-11 uppers and shoot a stock MAC from here on out. I couldn't sell my Max-11s because I, in all good conscious, could not corrupt another human being with them and have them miss the purist form of MAC shooting.

Now I am disillusioned and don't know what to do. OK, I know, I will just keep shooting those worthless Max-11 uppers and leave my historically significant factory uppers stored away so I do not damage them.:roflmao

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MrM4 said:
Aw man, we hear this every 2-3 weeks from you Mac.

I personally beleive theres a few reasons the rest of the matches threwout the country are un like what you guys do. I dont know if i would call the courses you discribe as "progessing the sport" maybe more of a varition of the sport. I always get the feeling you think what you guys do in FL is some how better then everyone elses matchs, and that you think we just dont see the big picture. With all due respect Macaholic, I dont beleive its the rest of the country thats modifying their matchs to be set up for %90 of the SMGs out there, it sounds more like you guys are setting up your course of fire to fit the fast ROF that the Stock Mac is know for.

my $0.02

Take a look at the scores from Port Malabar and you'll see it's not set up to favor only fast guns as Macaholic would have you believe.

http://smgbuddy.miniuzi.com/show.php?q=events

Being able to use semi definitely helps guys shooting bullet hoses but it doesn't give them an advantage.
 
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