CFW bolt or MAX-31 upper

[Garrett]

He was mentioning the Grey Ghost. Whole different animal. The Grey Ghost with the CFW bolt is like being Rambo while the Lage upper is like Charlie Sheen playing Rambo.

You totally missed the point. The OEM upper is short. The grey ghost appears to be the same length, so the comment would apply there too.

Have a nice day, Rambo.

 

[bigmacster]

You totally missed the point. The OEM upper is short. The grey ghost appears to be the same length, so the comment would apply there too.

Have a nice day, Rambo.

So in other words, you never shot the Grey Ghost with the CFW bolt, LOL. You have a nice day too, Charlie Sheen!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aqopEQr7wI

 

[strobro32]

Tough room.

 

[A&S Conversions]

At the MI State match, I shot my Gray Ghost. Yes the sight radius is too short. It would have been great with my EOTech, if the EOTech had not died after the very first stage. I had Sam put the longer barrel ILWT/rail fore end on one of his side cocker uppers. The longer barrel will up the cyclic rate, but will give a very light weight long sight radius. Personally, I like a short and light subgun. I find with a long and heavy subgun I tend to "swing through" the target and have to come back to the target. With a short and light subgun, I don't tend to swing through.

Being fortunate enough to own a Fleming HK sear and several Beta C drums, a MP5K set up with Beta C drums I think can Match the 31's fire power. I brought the Gray Ghost/M11/NINE because of the project I am working on. Everybody is different. I think Richard makes some great products (I own a couple of his uppers and stocks) but I find the uppers tend to be heavy. That is just my opinion. YMMV.

Scott

 

[boomer535]

CF-W bolt, MAX-31 is too clunky. Now The Max10-31 would be great for my M10/45.

 

[m11stuff@hotmail.com]

For the record...

Here are the weights of the different uppers on an M-11/9 SMG:

MAX-11k 5 pounds, 3.1 Ounces
MAX-11Sk with CF-W Bolt 5 pounds, 11.6 Ounces
MAX-11 mk2 5 pounds, 12.7 Ounces
Practical Solutions M-11/9 Side Cocking Upper with CF-W Bolt 6 pounds, 0.1 Ounces
MAX-31 mk2 6 pounds, 2.9 Ounces

All of these weights are with the Lage Mfg K-Stock attached and without a loaded magazine in the gun. Also, no sights or accessories added to the upper.

For a fair comparison, I measured the unloaded weight because adding a 30 round mag' to any of these guns will increase the weight the same. Obviously adding a 50 round magazine or 72 round drum will increase the weight disproportionately.

Surprisingly, there is only about a one pound difference between the lightest and the heaviest guns and a negligible difference between the MAX-31 mk2 and the Practical Solutions M-11/9 Side Cocking Upper with CF-W Bolt.

 

[Hey...]

Nobody said anything complaining about the Lage weight, it's the SIZE comparison.

 

[Mac11FA]

I will gladly trade my Max-31 upper and drum mags for a CF-W bolt and side cocking uppper. I love the Max-31 and have been very successful running it and consistently run the Lawman and AE flat nose 147gr rounds with little to no feeding issues. Honestly, because my Mac has the Sten mag conversion, the aftermarket mags won't work and stens are a bitch to load even with a loader.

 

[mike_phoenix]

I will gladly trade my Max-31 upper and drum mags for a CF-W bolt and side cocking upper. Honestly, because my Mac has the Sten mag conversion, the aftermarket mags won't work and stens are a bitch to load even with a loader.

I'm confused.
Why would you want to trade your Max-31 upper and drum mags for a CF-W bolt and side cocking upper
when you stated your Sten mags are a bitch to load?

You would have to use and load your Sten mags with the CF-W bolt and side cocking upper.

 

[mike_phoenix]

Nobody said anything complaining about the Lage weight, it's the SIZE comparison.

To be fair Evil Brother complained about the weight here:

At the MI State match, I shot my Gray Ghost. Yes the sight radius is too short. It would have been great with my EOTech, if the EOTech had not died after the very first stage. I brought the Gray Ghost/M11/NINE because of the project I am working on. Everybody is different. I think Richard makes some great products (I own a couple of his uppers and stocks) but I find the uppers tend to be heavy. That is just my opinion. YMMV.

Scott

 

[Gaujo]

They are both good, but you have to give credit where it is due for the innovation of an aluminum design and quality that is the Max-31. the Ghost + CFW is the ultimate refinement of the OEM configuration, the Max-31 turns it into a different gun.

 

[Hey...]

*edit* - Rare threads like this do little to unite, as both (poll) choices offering two sides of the spectrum of which each creator has placed immense effort and RISK to bring a physical product available to us all, and most of us own or want a little of each. The investment doing the numbers is staggering and in the end its not all for profit, its for all our pleasure shooting as a community and appreciating what we have.

The players are playing, the buyers are buying, but no matter what this poll says, in the end we're all friends of the same cloth.

Lage, I voted against you, but maybe I could be swayed if you made a 31k for an m11/9. ha

 

[PDXsparky]

I own both and wouldn't have it any other way.

 

[Wastin Ammo]

I'm shopping my first Mac, and don't have either yet, but a big part of what draws me to this platform is it's versatility. Lots of people here have both, I suspect I will as well.

 

[Battering ram NIB]

Buy every upper available

Max 11
Max 11/31
Grey ghost
Amp 11
Sabre 222
Lage .22 kit

And Lage 11/15

Someday you might have 10+ uppers. Each making the gun different

 

[boomer535]

Buy every upper available

Max 11
Max 11/31
Grey ghost
Amp 11
Sabre 222
Lage .22 kit

And Lage 11/15

Someday you might have 10+ uppers. Each making the gun different

I totally agree, but I am just too poor. I was lucky to get my M11/9 and M10/45's back in the early 90's when I could afford them. Buying the CF-W bolt was hard as it was expensive for me, but it is worth every penny. When I get the money I need to buy another CF-W bolt to go with my other M11/9. I am also interested in the Lage MAX10-45 and MAX10-31 for my M10/45's. The MAX10-31 is really unique.

 

[A&S Conversions]

I totally agree, but I am just too poor. I was lucky to get my M11/9 and M10/45's back in the early 90's when I could afford them. Buying the CF-W bolt was hard as it was expensive for me, but it is worth every penny. When I get the money I need to buy another CF-W bolt to go with my other M11/9. I am also interested in the Lage MAX10-45 and MAX10-31 for my M10/45's. The MAX10-31 is really unique.

If you have two M11/NINEs then you aren't "poor" IMHO. I would think that if you sold one of the M11/NINEs you would have the funds to setup all the others with uppers, mags, and ammo to shoot quite a bit. You are choosing to keep multiple machineguns but not commit resources to buy the new accessories that are now available. Selling any one of the machineguns you listed would be enough to accessorize the rest. Your guns, your choice. But don't try to convince me you are too poor but list over $20,000 in transferable machineguns. If all you had was one M11/NINE, like some other members here I'd understand. You are choosing where to keep your firearm resources the way you have them. YMMV.

Scott

 

[Gaujo]

I totally agree, but I am just too poor. I was lucky to get my M11/9 and M10/45's back in the early 90's when I could afford them. Buying the CF-W bolt was hard as it was expensive for me, but it is worth every penny. When I get the money I need to buy another CF-W bolt to go with my other M11/9. I am also interested in the Lage MAX10-45 and MAX10-31 for my M10/45's. The MAX10-31 is really unique.

I would get the 31 for the 11/9 if I had both, the 10 version is heavier.

 

[Battering ram NIB]

amp 11's are rarely available...any you find would be the time to buy....my amp 10 has a different feel than the max 10/31..different ROF, different feel completely..same mags, same concept, but different....worth $1k? hell yes. its like owning another machine gun, but only $1000......im glad to own both....

all my uppers are very different and enjoyable....i also agree if you can afford 2 macs you can afford uppers....eat PBJ for a year, dont go out to eat for a year....tell the wife to cut back on haircuts?


the FA hobby is not for the poor man....ammo alone is all the proof i need

 

[boomer535]

I would get the 31 for the 11/9 if I had both, the 10 version is heavier.

The reason I like the MAX10-31 is I have a registered Jersey Arms registered receiver that I never finished building up. The MAX10-31 upper would be great for it.