Can we have an H&K Section

[Glockdude1]

Hey,
I like Uzitalk. I have a Micro and think Uzis are cool. I also happen to own MP-5 sear gun, 51 SBR host, 91, 93, MK23 w/Knight can, but I am happy with Uzitalk like it is. There are some HK guys that can come across as, well let's say anal, to be polite. I frequent the HK sites when I feel like it. Bet most others who are regulars here do to, when they want to talk H&K. Look how long Uzitalk has been on-line without anything HK. I feel like this better defines Uzitalk and gives it a part of it's character.

How much did the Knight can cost you?
Do you like it?
Favorite rd with it?

:evilgrin

 

[garandman]

See, we can't have an HK forum. Those who don't have would be far too jealous of those that do have.

I sure am jealous of those who spend $17K when they could get an equal gun for under $5K.

Yeah, just ate up with jealousy. :nana

 

[AGG]

Well guys and gals,

As opposed to creating a new section, I suppose we could have a HK, etc., discussion under THIS section ("Firearms Talk"). :aug :fal :ak

Tony

 

[RoverDave]

Well guys and gals,

As opposed to creating a new section, I suppose we could have a HK, etc., discussion under THIS section ("Firearms Talk"). :aug :fal :ak

Tony

Yes, exactly. There's nothing stopping people from chatting at length about their favorite HK topics in this forum. The only reason to start a separate HK forum would be if I believed that we could attract lots of new members just because we had that forum. I'm not convinced that would happen. hkpro.com is already huge and not the only HK forum. Plus the HK-unfriendly folks who have already been popping up in this thread won't help to attract new members. If HK traffic in this forum starts to get significant I guess I could reconsider.

 

[garandman]

Plus the HK-unfriendly folks who have already been popping up in this thread won't help to attract new members. .

You misunderstand.

I got no problem with HK owners UNTIL they get up on their superiority complex and condescending 'tude toward anyone who can't see spending twice to three times what they should for a gun.

I liked shooting the MP5. The USP Tactical is OK, if you like artillery sized handguns. The USPC 40 is a piece of crap. Worst shooting gun I've ever owned.

 

[Clicker]

I'd love to see an HK section here. However I understand the apprehension of those running the place in doing so. One thing to consider is it seems most here are shooters first and own weapons manufactured by more than one company.
Second thing pertains to the HK clones produced today there is now a new niche within the HK group. Look at HKPRO and they don't want you to talk about TB's guns yet they have a clone section where this takes place.
It would be nice to have the chance to discuss the SW/Vector/Coharie/Bobcat etc. products without limitation.
Outside of AR15 sales I believe the HK clone guns are the hottest selling items in the EBR market at the moment. Many of the buyers of these guns will never own the real deal.
When you add the 2 together, shooters + new clone owners, I feel the HK snobbery factor is reduced tenfold.
But hell what do I know?!?!

 

[RoverDave]

You misunderstand.

Actually I think I understand the score quite well. This thread is typical of past HK discussions here. I agree with M1A's comment that on averge the guys here are probably shooters more than the guys on hkpro. I think we have a higher percentage of people that own and are happy with clones. HK snobbery is real but not prevalent on UZI Talk. The non-HK group seem to have more trouble letting go of the sins of others.

 

[jcook119]

I'd love to see an HK section here. However I understand the apprehension of those running the place in doing so. One thing to consider is it seems most here are shooters first and own weapons manufactured by more than one company.
Second thing pertains to the HK clones produced today there is now a new niche within the HK group. Look at HKPRO and they don't want you to talk about TB's guns yet they have a clone section where this takes place.
It would be nice to have the chance to discuss the SW/Vector/Coharie/Bobcat etc. products without limitation.
Outside of AR15 sales I believe the HK clone guns are the hottest selling items in the EBR market at the moment. Many of the buyers of these guns will never own the real deal.
When you add the 2 together, shooters + new clone owners, I feel the HK snobbery factor is reduced tenfold.
But hell what do I know?!?!

One thing to understand. HKPRO doesn't limit discussion of TB guns because of a disdain for clones. They do it because TB has threatened them with lawsuits due to the negative things that some HK owners have to say about his quality control and customer service. I guarantee you that if UZITalk did have an HK section, and people started badmouthing TB, he would be sending RoverDave the same legal threats. If you want to talk about those guns, you can do so on TB's own forum. You never see anything bad about them there

Thanks,
James

 

[infoseeker456]

I spend some time over in HK Pro myself, but really enjoy the Uzi Talk community. I thought it would be nice to have an organized forum to have H&K discussion given all the HK guns that are out there. I was thinking of this in light of other forums we have where there are other larger websites such as AR15.com. We have an AR section despite the fact there is a huge AR15.com website. When I have AR questions, I come here as everyone is very helpful and constructive.

Thanks RoverDave. We do appreciate all the work you put in here. I really enjoy spending time on the site. That was the reason I was requesting an HK section.

 

[jcook119]

Like Rodney King once said, can't we all just get along?

UZI, Bobcat BW5 (Wade and Todd Bailey gun), Hk USC/UMP conversion

 

[garandman]

The non-HK group seem to have more trouble letting go of the sins of others.

Or maybe they shoudn't go around getting in peoples face with their "sin." Constantly.

But maybe its just crazy me thinking if folk don't like having their snobbery pointed out, they should curtail their snobbery.

I'm full o' crazy ideas like that.

:bow

Hey, here's an idea -

Make a combined Ruger AC556 / H&K forum. It'll be a mixture of trailer trash "entry level" low rent machine gun owners (like me) , and effete upper crust machine gun snobs. Should be pretty entertaining.

:bow

 

[RoverDave]

I really enjoy spending time on the site. That was the reason I was requesting an HK section.

It's a fair request and I'll give it some thought. garandman has made some compelling arguments on why there should be an HK forum.

jcook119, nice USC conversion. I converted mine during the ban so it had a non-folding stock that I made from an original UMP stock. I never did SBR the gun. Instead I went with one of the nice barrel shrouds from JWH223. I used to do a lot of HK stuff. My brother and I were actually the ones that got the "dye it yourself at home" craze going. My wife was not real keen on the big pan of RIT dye in the oven. Thank god I didn't spill.

 

[jcook119]

Or maybe they shoudn't go around getting in peoples face with their "sin." Constantly.

But maybe its just crazy me thinking if folk don't like having their snobbery pointed out, they should curtail their snobbery.

I'm full o' crazy ideas like that.

:bow

Hey, here's an idea -

Make a combined Ruger AC556 / H&K forum. It'll be a mixture of trailer trash "entry level" low rent machine gun owners (like me) , and effete upper crust machine gun snobs. Should be pretty entertaining.

:bow

Garandman, I am not sure what HK owner kicked your dog, but I have found that EVERY make and model of gun has it's snob culture. Just like every car, every game, every whatever-you-can-name. Assholes are assholes, regardless of what they like or what they try to make you like. I'd love to own an HK sear, but I decided to spend my money on an UZI instead. For those who can spend the cash, good for them.

As for "entry level low rent machine gun owners", I say as long as it functions you are still better off than the vast majority of gun owners who don't have any full-auto toys. An example close to home...my dad bought a new-in-box MAC a few months back. My own snobbery manifested itself, and I told him I didn't understand why he bought a junk gun. The first time we took it out, it had multiple issues, reinforcing my thoughts. But...he got together with another MAC guy to troubleshoot, bought some good mags and now it runs great! I have since adjusted my opinion of MACs. It works now, so it is worthy. The only unworthy guns are the ones that DON'T work.

Thanks,
James

 

[jcook119]

jcook119, nice USC conversion. I converted mine during the ban so it had a non-folding stock that I made from an original UMP stock. I never did SBR the gun. Instead I went with one of the nice barrel shrouds from JWH223. I used to do a lot of HK stuff. My brother and I were actually the ones that got the "dye it yourself at home" craze going. My wife was not real keen on the big pan of RIT dye in the oven. Thank god I didn't spill.

Thanks RoverDave. I am not that mechanically inclined, so I had mine done by Jeff Smith at Tactical Excellence. He did a perfect job. Unfortunately he no longer does them, but Ed at HDPS does good work too from what I hear. More power to you for doing it yourself. And as for the wife, I think mine would be too shocked that I wanted to touch the oven to care about me cooking some dye

 

[AGG]

Very SWEET, jc!!!

I am a multi-HK owner but do not consider myself a snob or above anyone who is not an HK owner. :tongue
Until this post, I did not realize that HK owners had such a reputation. :argue :thinking
Maybe one man (ME) can make a difference! :thumbs_up :thumbs_up :thumbs_up :thumbs_up :thumbs_up :thumbs_up

Tony

 

[MarkV]

+1... on both paragraphs.

even though its an uzi site i think most of us have interest in firearms in general; whatever the make. but if you had an hk forum; those with a proclivity to dislike hk's wouldn't be constantly offended every time someone said something positive about an hk.

I spend some time over in HK Pro myself, but really enjoy the Uzi Talk community. I thought it would be nice to have an organized forum to have H&K discussion given all the HK guns that are out there. I was thinking of this in light of other forums we have where there are other larger websites such as AR15.com. We have an AR section despite the fact there is a huge AR15.com website. When I have AR questions, I come here as everyone is very helpful and constructive.

Thanks RoverDave. We do appreciate all the work you put in here. I really enjoy spending time on the site. That was the reason I was requesting an HK section.

 

[K.O.A.M.]

You misunderstand.

I got no problem with HK owners UNTIL they get up on their superiority complex and condescending 'tude toward anyone who can't see spending twice to three times what they should for a gun.

Exactly. There are lots of HK owners who like their HKs and other stuff. There are also lots of HK owners who start throwing names around if you don't have the latest and greatest thing to come out of Germany. Those are the ones who should get wedgies. I love my clones. I'd buy the originals if it wasn't three times what I paid for high quality clones.

 

[amphibian]

Like Rodney King once said, can't we all just get along?

UZI, Bobcat BW5 (Wade and Todd Bailey gun), Hk USC/UMP conversion

Jcook119, looks like you like the Docter about as much as I do.
Does that Docter on your UMP conversion co-witness?
I have a Docter/FF UMP mount that does. One of my friends made it when the USC first came out.

I also have an MP5 Docter/FF mount that co-witnesses but it's not done yet.

 

[ArevaloSOCOM]

I have been praying for this HK section for quite some time now.

HKpro is filled with douchbags.

 

[prebans]

I would have to agree as I came here from a board where people think we (owners of anything but HK) are just pond scum and trailer trash. While I'm probably the later, I just didn't need to be reminded of it every other post. My vote would have to be NO, and I do own a few HK's.

I've encountered it, but then I remember a gun range incident and smile.

This fellow was going on and on about his MP5 and how much more ergonomically correct it was compared to "that old Uzi," how it was much smoother than "that old Uzi," and it was superior as a closed bolt compared to "that old Uzi," blah blah blah.

Anyhow, for whatever reason he'd only get a round or two off and it'd jam. He'd jack the cocking handle back, let it come forward, reattempt to shoot and have it happen all over again.....

I turned to my shooting buddy and commented how I loved my old Uzi because it was soooooo reliable, how smooth it was when shooting... Not like those new-fangled HKs that need work from an expensive gunsmith right out of the box and how their barrels cost so much more than $30 (that's what Uzi barrels cost at that time) and couldn't be changed out in 15 seconds.....

The guy quieted down. :abused

Mike