Build & Register a Street Sweeper

[Junkcollector]

If one were to find enough parts to build and register a Street Sweeper, what would be the proper way to go about doing it ? And what would one expect to pay for all the parts ?

 

[rchaisch]

Buy parts kit, file Form 1, wait for approval, after approval finish receiver and engrave proper stuff. I have a parts kit, I should just file the paperwork.....

Ive seen parts kits go from $350 - $700. Depends on condition, etc. I've seen several parts or partial SS's on GunBroker, but many over priced. The complete ones on GunBroker are been reposted several times.

 

[rentprop1]

Not to get off track but staying with the street sweeper theme ...what do you guys think going rate for a street sweeper is these days.... I see tons of overpriced guns on GB..... the last one I saw that sold over $1,000 was to a NR bidder...waiting to see if he pays to re set the market ??

 

[slimshady]

Yep, same process as any other NFA item you want to build.

OTOH, what was the exact wording of the ATF ruling that made the Street Sweeper a DD? The law sez only shotguns determined to be sporting are exempt from the DD regs, however default ATF policy has always been ALL shotguns are sporting unless specifically determined to not be. And Congress de-funded ATF from making any future determination on "sporting" shotguns when they started making noise about re-classifying shotguns with picatinny rails as DDs. IOW, if ATF can no longer declare a shotgun a DD, and if the ruling was narrow enough to cover only the original manufacturers, it seems to me you could build a kit using a a new receiver marked say "Street Cleaner" that would not be a DD.

 

[rchaisch]

Not to get off track but staying with the street sweeper theme ...what do you guys think going rate for a street sweeper is these days.... I see tons of overpriced guns on GB..... the last one I saw that sold over $1,000 was to a NR bidder...waiting to see if he pays to re set the market ??

I've been watching GunBroker for numerous months. They only SS sold we're $895 and $1000. I was going to bid on the $895, but was talking to my local gun store about transfers and forgot to bid. The ones currently on there have been relisted several times. One has the box, another has an Armson site. I'm hoping to find one locally, but I have zero leads.

 

[rchaisch]

Yep, same process as any other NFA item you want to build.

OTOH, what was the exact wording of the ATF ruling that made the Street Sweeper a DD? The law sez only shotguns determined to be sporting are exempt from the DD regs, however default ATF policy has always been ALL shotguns are sporting unless specifically determined to not be. And Congress de-funded ATF from making any future determination on "sporting" shotguns when they started making noise about re-classifying shotguns with picatinny rails as DDs. IOW, if ATF can no longer declare a shotgun a DD, and if the ruling was narrow enough to cover only the original manufacturers, it seems to me you could build a kit using a a new receiver marked say "Street Cleaner" that would not be a DD.

IIRC, it was the AWB of 94 and it listed them and a few others by name. So, I think you're out of luck, but I'm no lawyer, nor am I smart.

 

[slimshady]

IIRC, it was the AWB of 94 and it listed them and a few others by name. So, I think you're out of luck, but I'm no lawyer, nor am I smart.

The '94 AWB went away in 2004, but the way around the "named" ban when it was active was to simply change the name stamped on your "AW". IIRC, Colt changed the name from AR15 to "Colt Sporter", removed the bayonet lug and muzzle threads, and sold it with a 20rd magazine with a pop-riveted in block to reduce it to 10 rds. No longer a banned rifle, they were on the market within a month or two of the ban. And the pop rivet came out in under 5 seconds with a 1/4" drill bit!

The ruling on the Street Sweeper/Striker 12 and the USAS 12 were separate from any AW ban and was an actual ruling by ATF on those particular shotguns. IIRC, the excuse they used were they were banned from import as "non sporting" back in the '89 import ban thus were DDs as the sporting shotgun exemption did not apply. Changing the name would get around any "the firearm knows as the Street sweeper is hereby declared a DD" language in the ruling just as it did in the AW ban years. Changing a feature or two here and there like say a different stock type or bbl length would be enough to claim it is not the same gun as the DD ones. Or even better, make the cylinder a 20 shot instead of a 12! And I think the prohibition on ATF against spending any money on determining if a shotgun is sporting or not would make any new manufacture of a similar gun exempt from the DD classification. Hell, install an arm brace, short bbl, and a foregrip and make it the revolver equivalent to the Mossberg Shockwave.

 

[Junkcollector]

How about changing the name to " Home Defender " Would love to see Cobray do that just to stick it to the ATF.
There are other shotguns with same bad features that are now legal.

 

[AGG]

I believe that if it was not registered (under the amnesty period) by 05-01-01, then you cannot build one without the appropriate licensing!!!

Tony

 

[AGG]

Not to get off track but staying with the street sweeper theme ...what do you guys think going rate for a street sweeper is these days.... I see tons of overpriced guns on GB..... the last one I saw that sold over $1,000 was to a NR bidder...waiting to see if he pays to re set the market ??

Probably about right for a Cobray Street Sweeper--- maybe $1,500.00 for a Sentinel Arms Striker 12!!!

Tony

 

[rchaisch]

I believe that if it was not registered (under the amnesty period) by 05-01-01, then you cannot build one without the appropriate licensing!!!

Tony

Do you have a source?

 

[rchaisch]

So....about the sporting clause. If I or anyone would share pics of a SS being used in a 3 gun or other competition, that would render the non-sporting clause invalid, right?

 

[slimshady]

So....about the sporting clause. If I or anyone would share pics of a SS being used in a 3 gun or other competition, that would render the non-sporting clause invalid, right?

ATF has, in the past at least, declared "sporting" means traditional events like skeet and one handed bullseye handgun target shooting. They specifically said a 3-gun match was not a "sporting event" under their interpretation. Hell, at one time they were considering the mere presence of a Picatinny rail to render a shotgun "non-sporting" so they could ban from import all those super deadly "assault shotguns" like the double bbl Stoeger! I can see their point, if one bayonet is enough to make a long gun an "assault weapon", 2 surely makes your victim even more deader!!!

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...ew-stoeger-double-defense-overunder-12-gauge/

 

[Super Dak©]

ATF has, in the past at least, declared "sporting" means traditional events like skeet and one handed bullseye handgun target shooting. They specifically said a 3-gun match was not a "sporting event" under their interpretation....

So if I use my SS for trap shooting, it becomes a sporting gun? I'm sure I could go shot for shot against my brother with his Ljutic....running 100 straight can't be that hard.

 

[AGG]

Do you have a source?

ATF Ruling 2001-1!!!

Tony

 

[DistalRadius]

Why not just submit a Form 1 to register it as a DD? The worst they can do is deny it and if it gets approved I would think you're golden, sporting or not.
:dunno

 

[rchaisch]

A parts kit with no receiver parts sold on GB yesterday for $225 plus shipping. I would have bid, but I was on a flight.

 

[rchaisch]

I realize this is an old thread, but since eForm 1 came back online, I submitted my SS. It came back approved this morning. So, yes, you can F1 a SS parts kit.

 

[BigMT]

I'm still waiting on my paper F1 to come back... wish I'd waited, but who knew eForms were coming back?

 

[AGG]

I realize this is an old thread, but since eForm 1 came back online, I submitted my SS. It came back approved this morning. So, yes, you can F1 a SS parts kit.

What about the receiver???

Tony