Bolts for Norrell’s Ruger 10/22 MGs

[navgunner]

I’ve been asked by a community member to produce Ruger 10/22 bolts for Norrell’s closed bolt 10/22 MG kits. Before I dive too deep into the project I’d like to ask ya’ll if there’s enough need to justify a production run. Based on my initial review, these would be expensive ($750 range) as there is a lot that goes into making these things work reliably. I know there’s at least a few people that have packs that are missing bolts which is unfortunate because it’s my understanding that John Norrell designed these kits to work as a system where the bolt is critical for reliable function.

Would anybody be interested in purchasing a bolt if I could get them into production?

 

[clc3251]

Yes

 

[Alaska_Shooter]

I’m in.

What about improving the system? Maybe something with changeable weights similar to the Bore Buddy system?

I’m not sure if it’s worth increasing the cost and if it would be beneficial enough. My Norrell has never ran all that well so I’m still trying to find a way to make it better

Either way, I’m in. Thanks!

 

[bwnva]

Good day,
I spoke with John 2-3 years ago. (Very nice and helpful) he had quit making extra bolts quite some time before that. Now when I say making, more precise is modifying the Factory Ruger COTS bolts with the milling out of a portion and adding the anti-bounce weight. So I am not sure making something from scratch is worth the cost, when a factory 10/22 bolt could be modified amd was always modified in the past. . Now with that being said to my recall John told me the geometry of the newer 10/22 bolts were different IRT where to bolt interfaces with the trip and would not work.(I believe he discovered this buying new bolts from Ruger and this might have contributed to
him not modifying and offering replacement/spare bolts). Recommend you talk to John for when the timeframe for this change happened and the particulars. But there are Millions of older 10/22s out there since they started making them in 1964.
I'd be interested in a bolt modification service (milling out and adding the Anit-Bounce weight, etc)

If I was Alaska_Shooter I would email John and explain to him what is happening and get his advice. I think your experience is the exception, not the norm.

Best Regards , bwnva

 

[navgunner]

I’m in.

What about improving the system? Maybe something with changeable weights similar to the Bore Buddy system?

I’m not sure if it’s worth increasing the cost and if it would be beneficial enough. My Norrell has never ran all that well so I’m still trying to find a way to make it better

Either way, I’m in. Thanks!

thank you @Alaska_Shooter

Opportunities for improvement would be assessed during the development phase of the project. That being said, I believe that John has already created a solid design as it relates to his entire system. Please understand that I acknowledging there's almost always compromise in an engineer's machine design so it's really a function of balance. I'll better understand that as I dive deeper into the project.

I'll echo @bwnva advice... I too recommend that you contact John Norrell directly with your issues. He's a wonderful guy.

 

[navgunner]

Good day,
I spoke with John 2-3 years ago. (Very nice and helpful) he had quit making extra bolts quite some time before that. Now when I say making, more precise is modifying the Factory Ruger COTS bolts with the milling out of a portion and adding the anti-bounce weight. So I am not sure making something from scratch is worth the cost, when a factory 10/22 bolt could be modified amd was always modified in the past. . Now with that being said to my recall John told me the geometry of the newer 10/22 bolts were different IRT where to bolt interfaces with the trip and would not work.(I believe he discovered this buying new bolts from Ruger and this might have contributed to
him not modifying and offering replacement/spare bolts). Recommend you talk to John for when the timeframe for this change happened and the particulars. But there are Millions of older 10/22s out there since they started making them in 1964.
I'd be interested in a bolt modification service (milling out and adding the Anit-Bounce weight, etc)

If I was Alaska_Shooter I would email John and explain to him what is happening and get his advice. I think your experience is the exception, not the norm.

Best Regards , bwnva

Thank you for the message @bwnva , I agree with your comments above.

 

[slimshady]

The TEK conversion used a locked bolt. Other than having to pull the trigger to open it, it looked to me like a more reliable solution. Maybe coming up with a better locked bolt would be an improvement? From what I understand the demand for bolts is due to the milled out section for the weight weakening it and they break. Maybe a tungsten weight and a thicker bolt above it?

 

[SecondAmend]

The TEK conversion used a locked bolt. Other than having to pull the trigger to open it, it looked to me like a more reliable solution. Maybe coming up with a better locked bolt would be an improvement? From what I understand the demand for bolts is due to the milled out section for the weight weakening it and they break. Maybe a tungsten weight and a thicker bolt above it?

FWIW, a guy over in AR15.com did some anti-bounce weight experiments with his Norrell FA 10/22 a while ago. Not having such a firearm, I wasn't too interested, so I don't recall his findings.

In any case, good luck to all with your FA 10/22s!

 

[nklf]

I do not need a bolt, but having a Norrell 10/22 that runs great, I would buy a spare bolt just to make sure it keeps running for years to come. I've learned in the NFA world you buy spares when they are available. You do not wait until you need one.

 

[Alaska_Shooter]

I’m in the same boat and agree 😀

 

[Kramer]

I do not need a bolt, but having a Norrell 10/22 that runs great, I would buy a spare bolt just to make sure it keeps running for years to come. I've learned in the NFA world you buy spares when they are available. You do not wait until you need one.

This...in bold...

 

[navgunner]

When I release these for sale, I’m going to first contact people on my waiting list. If I don’t get an answer, I’m going to immediately go to the next person on the list. Whatever remains will go on the website. Please know that we’re making a very limited amount as I have to source out of production bolts to use as hosts.


The “we”:

I’m happy to announce that NavGunner is working directly with John Norrell on these 10/22 bolts. We’re making them to John’s latest NORRELL spec. as these are specifically designed for use with his registered trigger packs.


Bolts will be marked with both the NORRELL name and NavGunner’s hallmark. The pocket for the reciprocating weight now cut using modern EDM so we’re able to incorporate a radius feature where I’ve heard complaints of breakage due to stress concentrations. I expect to have these available to ship in the next couple weeks.

 

[SecondAmend]

And, FWIW, in case you haven't been buying anything made out of machinable tungsten alloy lately, the price has skyrocketed. For example, the KAK Industry tungsten bolt carrier weight that is often swapped for the steel bolt carrier weight to up the reciprocating mass in AR 9mm and other PCC applications has gone up in price from $35 to $52.50.

 

[nklf]

How do I get on the waiting list? Also, would it help if I provide a 10/22 bolt to modify? I have several 10/22s of different vintages. I may even have a Volquartsen bolt to replace the factory bolt that I have modified.

 

[gorillastomp]

So I have a stupid question 🙋. Now that the LRTs (forced reset system) are available for the 10-22s. Would this be something that would help them function better.

 

[navgunner]

How do I get on the waiting list? Also, would it help if I provide a 10/22 bolt to modify? I have several 10/22s of different vintages. I may even have a Volquartsen bolt to replace the factory bolt that I have modified.

I’m not going to offer a modification service but I’d be willing to offer a credit for people that want to send in their oem Ruger bolts. I need to see pictures of them before acceptance because there are multiple versions and I can only use one type. If this is something that you’re interested in, please go ahead and send me pictures now.

@nklf please send me a private message with your phone number, email. First and last name.

As of today, my waitlist matches the number of bolts that we’ll make so if I need to add a couple of bolts at the list, I need to know ASAP

 

[navgunner]

So I have a stupid question 🙋. Now that the LRTs (forced reset system) are available for the 10-22s. Would this be something that would help them function better.

@gorillastomp That's a great question but the answer is somewhat challenging as it depends on each particular system's design. That being said, the short answer is probably.

This run of bolts are designed / manufactured to specifically work with registered NORRELL MGs and I'm very thankful that John Norrell himself has signed onto the project.

 

[GWP]

Will these be run on a 4 or 5 axis machine.

 

[navgunner]

EDM

 

[navgunner]

First batch of five bolts are done. I’ll start calling people on my list tomorrow.