black dog .22 mags not feeding right

[arch stanton]

Are you feeling any drag over an empty mag when you let the bolt carrier close? Do you have an extra recoil spring? Anyway send the whole thing to me when you can.

Joe

 

[Philip]

nope, no drag. No extra spring, I'll pick one up.
I'll send it in next month. Want to shoot some more 9mm in the meantime.

 

[Surly]

Yes to both, sometimes I push up and it runs, sometimes I push up and it doesn't, sometimes I pull down and it runs, sometimes I pull down and it doesn't. No real pattern.

I'm using the recoil spring that came in the vector SMG, no clue what 3rd world craphole they got it from, assuming they got it new and not used surplus the gun has 1200 rounds, maybe less since new.

Not too close, not too far, I'm in CO. Too far to just bop over anyway.

Dammit. If I still had family there, I'd make the trip for the hell of it. My offer stands if you want to send me your kit. I'll get it running on the cheap Federal bulk pack like mine does.

 

[Surly]

Are you feeling any drag over an empty mag when you let the bolt carrier close? Do you have an extra recoil spring? Anyway send the whole thing to me when you can.

Joe

Oops...not trying to step on your toes.

 

[Philip]

Oops...not trying to step on your toes.

Ill probably hit the black hills in June if nothing else.

 

[Surly]

Ill probably hit the black hills in June if nothing else.

I'll be here...let me know before you do. :thumbs_up

 

[TWiessner]

Really sorry to hear about your woes Phillip, I picked up my Vector Uzi two weeks ago and been to the range twice, my very first outing with the Uzi was with Joes/Subguns kit. I figured instead of going full auto for the first mag I'd start out semi and let the parts become "acquainted" to one another. I used CCI Bulk and filled the magazine with 15 rounds, the first three rounds were as designed, the 4th round bent as it was being picked up and going into the barrel. Cleared the jam and fired 5 more no issue, then I got a FTE, cleared the empty shell then pulled the top cover off to look at things and the extractor on the left leg was not seated properly, (like it snagged on the barrel slot?), corrected this issue and emptied the remaining six rounds on semi w/o any issues.

Loaded 10 rounds in a different magazine, fired first one semi and the remainder full auto with no issues!

Loaded a third magazine with 15 rounds of Winchester Dyanpoint, ran smooth full auto.

Loaded my last magazine with 20rounds of Winchester WWB, had a jam on full auto about half way through the magazine, cleared and fired the remaing rounds auto with no issues.

I ensured that when using the mag loader that each round was forward of the one beneath it. When I took the gun apart the extractor leg was again not seated properly.

Reassembled and loaded 22 rounds with CCI Bulk full auto no issues.

When I disassembled it to go to 9mm the leg of the extractor was dislodged yet again? I am very pleased with the kit and if anyone has any suggestions on how to correct the extractor leg I would greatly appreciate any advice?

9mm, ran three 30 round magazines of MBI subsonic with the can, ran flawlessly semi and full auto, short bursts full mag dumps didn't matter, totally happy with the new acqusition and the wait, albeit long, was well worth it.

Tom

:uzi

 

[SecondAmend]

When you install the .22 barrel, make sure the barrel is "level" such that the extractor legs fit cleanly into the slots in the barrel. There is a bit of rotationaly wobble possible as the barrel nut is tightened. When the barrel is installed properly, the extractor should clear the slots in the barrel without any rubbing.

Best of luck and enjoy.

 

[TWiessner]

Just to make sure I am correct in my assumption, when the barrel goes in there will be approxiamtely 1/2" of bolt return spring compression necessary to attach the barrel nut?

In other words when you put the barrel in you have to push it in to overcome approxiamatly 1/2" of travel to secure the barrel nut.

I've looked up from the bottom of the magazine well and you can see the extractor fitting into the barrel slot, so that is why I assumed it was assembeled correctly?

Thanks for the reply 2nd!

T

 

[SecondAmend]

You are correct on the amount of spring compression during barrel nut installation.

Again - Best of luck!

 

[Philip]

it's working about 95%! I can get about 1 in 2 mags to run hang free, or at least down to the last couple rounds, it never seems to like the last 2-3. Maybe have 1 stoppage per mag that does have a problem, I have an idea it's rim overlap. Usually it just doesn't strip a round when it does fail, as long as it didn't bend the round I can charge it and keep going, if it bent the round like it got half out then it can get stuck in the chamber.

in the process of looking for solutions Troy at barrelxchange mentioned he mods the mags a little with his kits and offered to tweak one of mine for me, in the process of email him back and forth he offered to just look at the whole kit, Joe wanted me to send the gun and kit in too, but I had already sent the bolt, barrel, and mags off.

I don't want to give away what he did to the mags but made a couple tweaks, shimmed the bolt a little bit, clearanced the barrel and pointed out a couple other little tweaks it could really use, and installed one of his tweaked extractors.

went to the range and dumped out 500 rounds in about 45 minutes, tons of fun!!

I have no doubt Joe would have gotten me running, I had just already been talking to try about the mags and it sort of progressed from there, I don't want you to think I'm trying to start a pissing match, but it as really kind of troy to offer.

thanks again troy!

 

[Philip]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFfZeTRgVyQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTWqIpCPyLQ

hard to see, dark. probably should have kicked the overhead light on

 

[SecondAmend]

For M16 .22 conversion kits, the conventional wisdom is they work 95% about 60% of the time.

 

[Surly]

For M16 .22 conversion kits, the conventional wisdom is they work 95% about 60% of the time.

:lol:

Glad to see you got it going, Phil. They are a lot of fun to shoot.

 

[Philip]

:lol:

Glad to see you got it going, Phil. They are a lot of fun to shoot.

WAY more fun than 9mm IMO.
Have some mini mags on the way, next wed. I'll see if those run any better. It's also been suggested to get a non-captured recoil spring and maybe nip a little off of it, we'll see.

the weird thing was, the target I shot had some big, oblong holes at the top. I don't know what the hell caused them. Maybe the guy next to me dumped a few rounds through it, IDK

 

[emrisg]

Let us know how the shorter spring works out.

 

[SecondAmend]

The .22 recoil spring that came with the Vector .22 conversion kit that I have has 10 less coils than the standard 9 mm recoil spring.

Not legal advice, MHO, YMMV, etc.

 

[Surly]

WAY more fun than 9mm IMO.
Have some mini mags on the way, next wed. I'll see if those run any better. It's also been suggested to get a non-captured recoil spring and maybe nip a little off of it, we'll see.

the weird thing was, the target I shot had some big, oblong holes at the top. I don't know what the hell caused them. Maybe the guy next to me dumped a few rounds through it, IDK

I initially made a non captured recoil spring guide from an AK cleaning rod. Once I got the spring tuned, I installed it on a captured rod. If you cut coils off to tune it, do them one at a time and test fire. Repeat until it reliably cycles the cheapest ammo you can pick up locally and then stock up when it's on sale.

 

[Philip]

I initially made a non captured recoil spring guide from an AK cleaning rod. Once I got the spring tuned, I installed it on a captured rod. If you cut coils off to tune it, do them one at a time and test fire. Repeat until it reliably cycles the cheapest ammo you can pick up locally and then stock up when it's on sale.

I figured I'd just buy a SMG assembly and cut the flared end off the rod and nip off a coil at a time and leave it be.

 

[barrelxchange]

Don't cut the end off.

If you compress the spring an inch or so on the guide rod and slide the keeper washer with it, clamp a vise grip on the guide rod above the spring, you can use a hammer to peen the flairing straight, everything will slide off and when you find the length you want you could flair it out and have a captive spring again. I would recommend cutting an inch off to start with, then a couple of coils at a time. I wouldn't cut much more than 2" off