Hi all, new to the board. I'm a fairly new (about a year) FFL/SOT in Tucson. I have a Vector full size. It was my first FA purchase. I'd really love to get my hands on one of the side cocking micros with the rail on top. But I think they are too new to be either transferable or available as a presample. Just in case, I really love to find one if I was wrong, and there are some out there. This site is great! I may have to get one of the modified top covers for the Dr. Optic. My Vector spends most of the time in the safe, as I also have an MP5. But, if I could get my hand on one of those micros with a rail, it would get me back into Uzi shooting again. I wonder if one of the transferable micros(I've seen a few) could be modified to the new configuration? Heck, I'd even love to have this conversion done on my Vector. With a rail on top I'd have an Eotech or ACOG on there. To bad the side cocking setup wasn't done originally. Anyway, again great site!
Any transferable or pre-sample micros?
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stymie
FFL/C&R, UZI Talk Life Member,
The MICRO & MICRO PARA....
share very little in parts interchangeability. Although virtually anything is possible if you shake enough money at it... it would be cheaper to acquire a Post '86 dealer sample than to have a company such as Vector attempt the conversion on a *transferable* receiver. The laws regarding Post '68 importation & Post '86 dealer sales have made this a somewhat difficult proposition.
With your FFL/SOT, you can submit a L.E./dealer demo request (love letter) to obtain one. O. F. Mossberg (UZI America), Impact Arms & Botach Tactical offered imported restricted UZIs for L.E./Gov use only, at one time. Your best bet would be to contact IMI directly for a distributor network.
Of course pre-ban G-18 mags are pricey, but with an FFL your cost would be around $30/ea in quantity for *restricted* mags.
BATFE would authenticate your demo letter through the requesting agency to determine the validity of the subject at hand.
In any event, should you drop your FFL/SOT... the *sample* would have to be disposed of... along with the bargain basement mags according to NFA regulations.
But... you probably knew this already!
share very little in parts interchangeability. Although virtually anything is possible if you shake enough money at it... it would be cheaper to acquire a Post '86 dealer sample than to have a company such as Vector attempt the conversion on a *transferable* receiver. The laws regarding Post '68 importation & Post '86 dealer sales have made this a somewhat difficult proposition.
With your FFL/SOT, you can submit a L.E./dealer demo request (love letter) to obtain one. O. F. Mossberg (UZI America), Impact Arms & Botach Tactical offered imported restricted UZIs for L.E./Gov use only, at one time. Your best bet would be to contact IMI directly for a distributor network.
Of course pre-ban G-18 mags are pricey, but with an FFL your cost would be around $30/ea in quantity for *restricted* mags.
BATFE would authenticate your demo letter through the requesting agency to determine the validity of the subject at hand.
In any event, should you drop your FFL/SOT... the *sample* would have to be disposed of... along with the bargain basement mags according to NFA regulations.
But... you probably knew this already!
stymie
FFL/C&R, UZI Talk Life Member,
Then again...
this might be heresy to some folks.... but you might consider an SWD M11/9 smg with the side-cocking upper, optics rail with Doctor sight, ACE or Choate folding stock, elevated HK iron sights & MAC-jack buffer.
Of course, it won't have the UZI's excellent trigger pull & quality of construction... but at least it's a viable alternative.
this might be heresy to some folks.... but you might consider an SWD M11/9 smg with the side-cocking upper, optics rail with Doctor sight, ACE or Choate folding stock, elevated HK iron sights & MAC-jack buffer.
Of course, it won't have the UZI's excellent trigger pull & quality of construction... but at least it's a viable alternative.
Re: The MICRO & MICRO PARA....
Yep
stymie said:share very little in parts interchangeability. Although virtually anything is possible if you shake enough money at it... it would be cheaper to acquire a Post '86 dealer sample than to have a company such as Vector attempt the conversion on a *transferable* receiver. The laws regarding Post '68 importation & Post '86 dealer sales have made this a somewhat difficult proposition.
With your FFL/SOT, you can submit a L.E./dealer demo request (love letter) to obtain one. O. F. Mossberg (UZI America), Impact Arms & Botach Tactical offered imported restricted UZIs for L.E./Gov use only, at one time. Your best bet would be to contact IMI directly for a distributor network.
Of course pre-ban G-18 mags are pricey, but with an FFL your cost would be around $30/ea in quantity for *restricted* mags.
BATFE would authenticate your demo letter through the requesting agency to determine the validity of the subject at hand.
In any event, should you drop your FFL/SOT... the *sample* would have to be disposed of... along with the bargain basement mags according to NFA regulations.
But... you probably knew this already!
Yep
Re: Then again...
Since I already have a couple MP5s, I really have no desire to dress up a grease gun. I AM working on a "love letter" for a para-uzi. But a transferable one just might be worth the kick if it could be done. But I'd hate my Vector to be the guinea pig!
stymie said:
Since I already have a couple MP5s, I really have no desire to dress up a grease gun. I AM working on a "love letter" for a para-uzi. But a transferable one just might be worth the kick if it could be done. But I'd hate my Vector to be the guinea pig!
Side cocker..
Actually, this is another idea I have already kicked around but have not had the desire to do a prototype. I personally like the cocking knob on the top of the gun, you can easily charge the bolt with either hand. This is really helpful for the SMG competitions where you are forced to shoot with both sides.
A friend of mine was interested in the possibility of a side cocker and I think it could be done modifying an existing topcover. I was thinking about welding a plate across the top of the topcover and making an arm on the left side. This way I wouldn't have to mess up an expensive transferrable receiver. I personally think cutting into the receiver would decrease its value.
If you did this, you would probably lose the cowitnessing ability that you can have if you used a Docter and iron sight setup. Which comes in handy when you are engaging short range targets with the large 7 MOA dot and enlarged 200 M aperature then flip to the small 3.5 MOA for 100 yard shots (some SMG competitions do have varying distances from the target from 2 feet to 100 yards.)
Actually, this is another idea I have already kicked around but have not had the desire to do a prototype. I personally like the cocking knob on the top of the gun, you can easily charge the bolt with either hand. This is really helpful for the SMG competitions where you are forced to shoot with both sides.
A friend of mine was interested in the possibility of a side cocker and I think it could be done modifying an existing topcover. I was thinking about welding a plate across the top of the topcover and making an arm on the left side. This way I wouldn't have to mess up an expensive transferrable receiver. I personally think cutting into the receiver would decrease its value.
If you did this, you would probably lose the cowitnessing ability that you can have if you used a Docter and iron sight setup. Which comes in handy when you are engaging short range targets with the large 7 MOA dot and enlarged 200 M aperature then flip to the small 3.5 MOA for 100 yard shots (some SMG competitions do have varying distances from the target from 2 feet to 100 yards.)
stymie
FFL/C&R, UZI Talk Life Member,
Just a word of caution on demo letters...
Due to the collusion of certain SOTs with various L.E. entities, (Vic's Gun room... comes to mind), enabling the acquisition of certain importable *posties*, BATFE has taken a rather dim view of any sense of impropriety. It's not that I'm implying that this is the case here... but bonafide letters are getting more difficult to obtain all the time. I have found that CLEOs usually have established vendors that must meet certain policy guidelines in order to propose bids as most PC/gov. organizations do these days. There is a trend for distributors to be cut out of the market all together as many deals are direct through the *outlet*. The L.E. market is a tough one when it comes to making a *profit*; the SOT is considered exclusive to business operations & not collecting.
I'm fully aware that the M11/9 smg along with its plethora of modifications is sometimes viewed as "lipstick on a pig" by some serious collectors. However, they have proven to be very competitive with even the highly touted HK MP-5 series of weapons & often beating them at their own game. :eek!
Due to the collusion of certain SOTs with various L.E. entities, (Vic's Gun room... comes to mind), enabling the acquisition of certain importable *posties*, BATFE has taken a rather dim view of any sense of impropriety. It's not that I'm implying that this is the case here... but bonafide letters are getting more difficult to obtain all the time. I have found that CLEOs usually have established vendors that must meet certain policy guidelines in order to propose bids as most PC/gov. organizations do these days. There is a trend for distributors to be cut out of the market all together as many deals are direct through the *outlet*. The L.E. market is a tough one when it comes to making a *profit*; the SOT is considered exclusive to business operations & not collecting.
I'm fully aware that the M11/9 smg along with its plethora of modifications is sometimes viewed as "lipstick on a pig" by some serious collectors. However, they have proven to be very competitive with even the highly touted HK MP-5 series of weapons & often beating them at their own game. :eek!
Re: Just a word of caution on demo letters...
Your right about the grease gun in competition. I think they won the last 2 matches I read about. They also came in second and 3rd. The MP5s were down around 5th. If I competed, I would probably get a Berretta 12S, one of the most controllable SMGs out there. On the other subject, none of my letters are from traditional CLEOs, but I have one Military letter and one from the new dept of Homeland Security. Both seem to have no problems with BATFE, as we also do training and have a legitimate purpose for having a variety of NFA items on hand. That said, when I got my FFL, knowing what I do now, I should have gotten a manufacturers license. We are probably going to get one anyway when our license is up for renewal in 95. But you are correct, getting letterhead for belt feds from small PDs with a few officers does not cut it anymore. On the other hand, there are deals to be had from PDs trading old transferable SMGs for new M4 type guns. In that case there is money to be had if you are patient and travel to lots of LEO events.
stymie said:
Your right about the grease gun in competition. I think they won the last 2 matches I read about. They also came in second and 3rd. The MP5s were down around 5th. If I competed, I would probably get a Berretta 12S, one of the most controllable SMGs out there. On the other subject, none of my letters are from traditional CLEOs, but I have one Military letter and one from the new dept of Homeland Security. Both seem to have no problems with BATFE, as we also do training and have a legitimate purpose for having a variety of NFA items on hand. That said, when I got my FFL, knowing what I do now, I should have gotten a manufacturers license. We are probably going to get one anyway when our license is up for renewal in 95. But you are correct, getting letterhead for belt feds from small PDs with a few officers does not cut it anymore. On the other hand, there are deals to be had from PDs trading old transferable SMGs for new M4 type guns. In that case there is money to be had if you are patient and travel to lots of LEO events.
stymie
FFL/C&R, UZI Talk Life Member,
Most CLEOs are wise...
to the fact that their *obsolete* COLT Thompsons & C drums are worth more than just a few M-4s. A sharp SOT has already moved in on most *kills* already.
Don Austin Wagenknecht (D.A.W.) & Lynn & Judy McWilliams (A.W.C.) have illustrated often enough to me that a Title 2 manufacturer's license is the way to go anymore for recreational use in the true legal sense of the word. A wise choice indeed!
If you have a Military letter & one from Homeland Security... you are obviously "well connected" & should have NO problem whatsoever in a "training capacity".
Now, don't butcher that Vector receiver.... pull it out of the safe, dust it off & throw some lead!
to the fact that their *obsolete* COLT Thompsons & C drums are worth more than just a few M-4s. A sharp SOT has already moved in on most *kills* already.
Don Austin Wagenknecht (D.A.W.) & Lynn & Judy McWilliams (A.W.C.) have illustrated often enough to me that a Title 2 manufacturer's license is the way to go anymore for recreational use in the true legal sense of the word. A wise choice indeed!
If you have a Military letter & one from Homeland Security... you are obviously "well connected" & should have NO problem whatsoever in a "training capacity".
Now, don't butcher that Vector receiver.... pull it out of the safe, dust it off & throw some lead!
Re: I'm impressed!
Whoa pard! My letters aren't from NSW or Quantico. Just the PJs and Border Patrol, now part of DHS. But their both good outfits, and the letters pass muster and for good reason. I wouldn't chop up my Vector, at least I wouldn't go first! Now, I have been thinking of selling an MP5SD and getting another MP5 and PDWing it. But really, my first choice would be one of these para uzis. Getting out of a helicopter fast can be very serious business. and a 14.5 inch M4 can really slow you down. I've got one with a kitty cat upper (7.5 inches) and an ACOG on it. But one of these little uzis would be better. More compact, not a flame thrower, and terrorists usually don't wear kevlar. And since the Military has tons of 9mm.......Ya see where I'm going with this?
stymie said:
Whoa pard! My letters aren't from NSW or Quantico. Just the PJs and Border Patrol, now part of DHS. But their both good outfits, and the letters pass muster and for good reason. I wouldn't chop up my Vector, at least I wouldn't go first!
Now, I have been thinking of selling an MP5SD and getting another MP5 and PDWing it. But really, my first choice would be one of these para uzis. Getting out of a helicopter fast can be very serious business. and a 14.5 inch M4 can really slow you down. I've got one with a kitty cat upper (7.5 inches) and an ACOG on it. But one of these little uzis would be better. More compact, not a flame thrower, and terrorists usually don't wear kevlar. And since the Military has tons of 9mm.......Ya see where I'm going with this?
stymie
FFL/C&R, UZI Talk Life Member,
How about a Glock 18 with folding stock?
http://remtek.com/arms/glock/model/9/18/
Personally, I gave up Glocks for Lent! (light primer strikes & failure to close to battery on my X G-19)
Some people swear by 'em & some.... well, you know....
At least the mags are interchangeable... lol
http://remtek.com/arms/glock/model/9/18/
Personally, I gave up Glocks for Lent! (light primer strikes & failure to close to battery on my X G-19)
Some people swear by 'em & some.... well, you know....
At least the mags are interchangeable... lol
Vegas SMG
UZI Talk Life Member,
The Glocks are pretty much pray and spray BUT, they are a whole lot of fun! I'm lucky enough to get monthly trigger time on one and it never fails to put a smile on my face. I can see them used in a tactical situation where a small entry weapon is required for clearing a phone booth, but other than that, they are simply a novelty IMHO.
I've got a friend here in town that has a transferable micro, Flemming conversation, that he keeps talking about selling. Let me know if you have a real interest and I'll put you in touch.
I've got a friend here in town that has a transferable micro, Flemming conversation, that he keeps talking about selling. Let me know if you have a real interest and I'll put you in touch.
stymie
FFL/C&R, UZI Talk Life Member,
az larry...
Chuck Younger at Denny's Guns in North K.C., MO (816)221-9117 ext 10, has an open-bolt B&G converted MICRO with the correct folding stock, one mag & a cordura case for..... $6,500. :eek!
Chuck Younger at Denny's Guns in North K.C., MO (816)221-9117 ext 10, has an open-bolt B&G converted MICRO with the correct folding stock, one mag & a cordura case for..... $6,500. :eek!
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