Advice for my first Sub-Gun Competition

[Old Soldier]

I am going to shoot in my first Sub-Gun Competition at the end of the month here in PA.

http://www.pennsylvaniaclassthreecompetitors.com/sub-gun.html

My priorities are; be safe, learn the ropes and have fun.

I plan on using a GI UZI, with a AimPoint Micro T1. I never entered a competition, so any advice is appreciated. I watched some of the videos, but they left me with more questions.

Are there any links that explain the rules, stages, course of fire, target distances, etc?

I shoot a lot with a buddy, usually at 25 yards with steel targets, so I am zeroed at 25 yards. How many rounds should I bring? How many 32 round mags do I need to carry on me?

What is the best option for ammo pouches? I have the 20 and 32 round pouches from Israel and the West German 32 round pouches.

Thanks Pat

 

[medphys]

http://www.uzitalk.com/forums/showthread.php?74975-Pointers-for-first-SMG-competition&highlight=

Here's a start

 

[BWE Firearms]

Go slow, walk don't run. Be very deliberate with every move you make your first couple of matches. Don't worry about coming in dead last, worry about finishing the match without getting disqualified.

The 5 cell Uzi mag pouches work well with 32 round magazines. The mags stick out far enough to get a good grip on them but don't fall out. Most bays down here we use 3-4 mags.

 

[kaen3e]

The black water pistol 5 mag pouches work well. Practice mag changes a lot. That seems to separate a lot of ken from boys in all types of gun matches

 

[HK Shooter]

[video]https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkBFpM7u6hnyF4xHNBTkrGhWfotlA26oy[/video]

Check out the last match in PA. This should give you a good idea.

 

[fargo007]

This is the one up by Hazleton I think.

I'll be up there shooting those matches too.

If you are in good control of yourself, your muzzle, and where the shots are going you will have zero problems and loads of fun.

My advice is to remind them you are new to it all and are just there to have fun and not be uber competitive. The SO's will sort of guide you through each of the stages. I've never seen this approach fail. After a few of them you will feel really comfortable with it all.

The opposite - where someone who doesn't know what they are doing and attempts to blast and fake their way through it always works out bad.

FWIW,

--Fargo007

 

[Vegas SMG]

...The opposite - where someone who doesn't know what they are doing and attempts to blast and fake their way through it always works out bad. --Fargo007

Hey! That's my shooting style!

Don't show up to a match with new or untested equipment. That includes recently purchased mags, ammo you've never fired in your gun, optics not fully sighted in, new bolts, springs, sears, triggers, etc. I've seen it happen too many times and it's usually ugly. A match is not the place to test new accessories, mods, or parts.

 

[medphys]

Don't show up to a match with new or untested equipment. That includes recently purchased mags, ammo you've never fired in your gun, optics not fully sighted in, new bolts, springs, sears, triggers, etc. I've seen it happen too many times and it's usually ugly. A match is not the place to test new accessories, mods, or parts.

Hey! That's my shooting style!

 

[416Rich]

This would help you get started.
http://bullethose.com/2011/09/28/shoot-smarter-not-harder/

 

[softaildeluxe]

I would probably go to a match as a spectator first. I think it would be a good idea to just watch and take mental notes on what to do and not do. I would not be above a simulated dry run in my back yard with an empty gun in the hopes of perfecting my safe muzzle points and just not tripping over my own two feet.

 

[chili17]

obey the rules, hit what you aim at and do it faster than anybody else

 

[nayo]

Dont bring 3 drums and six mags to a COF with twenty targets only carry the gear you need on a COF!! Matches can be won or lost in the mag change dont over engage targets by hosing them with bullets minimize your mags changes, keep a eye on your round indicator on your mag between shoot positions it saves a ton of time if you changes mags between shoot positions then at a shoot position...

 

[mirage]

I also sign in to shoot August 31 at Mainville, PA. I will be coming from Hazleton. This will also be my first match. I will be using my full size Uzi without optic's.

Thank you all for this helpful information.

Nick

 

[Old Soldier]

Thanks, appreciate all the good advice. Last weekend, checked zero at 25 yards for my UZi. I got my web gear together and practiced at 25 yards shooting at some six inch steel targets. I took a web belt with H strap harness, put an IDF 5 pocket pouch on the left side and three pocket pouches on the other side. I do not need to put mags in every pouch and they do not weigh anything empty. I figured that I would get some advice on how many mags that I need to carry for each of the 4 stages. I also carried an empty map case bag to drop in the empty mags? Not sure if I need that or of I can just drop them on the ground?

I plan on taking it very slow this first time around. I just want to safely complete the stages and gain some experience. Last place is ok. Thanks again for all the advice, keep it coming.

Pat

 

[mirage]

I look forward to meeting you Pat. I to will be going slow and safe. If I come in dead last that fine with me, I'm just happy to be able to try this out.

Nick

 

[Old Soldier]

I wanted to thank everyone for the advice. The subgun match was a great experience and I think that I am hooked. I am looking forward to the next match. We had four stages and I used almost 400 rounds on a variety of targets. I really liked the big spinner. Next time, I may bring some 148 grain bullets for that. I could try the 45 kit with grease gun mags on the heavy spinner. I need to practice shooting wrong handed and from the hip. At one stage we had engage very small targets through a portal from the hip. I understand that no two matches are the same? I may also bring that 60 round mag? It seems to function perfectly. The best part was meeting some good people. I got to meet Nick from the forum and we keep in touch now.

Thanks again for all the valuable advice and coaching

Pat in PA

 

[Paul Winters]

Hooked

I am glad you got to play and meet some great people.

Way back when in the NFA days, there were elements of a match and to be a NFA event you had to have so many elements in your COF. We don't do this now, but knowing the elements will help you in your prep for future matches.

Some of the elements of the match were (going from memory)

Near/far - some very close targets and some distant targets. Helps to know your sight at these ranges. for example, my 16/9 with a 25 yards zero is 1" low at point blank range and 1" high at 50 yards. Helps to know
with tight shots.

Strong/Weak - Right shoulder right eve and left shoulder left eye shooting.
Again this is a strange thing if not practiced. Also what if you need a mag change from weak side? Helps to practice.

Off balance - Having to bend around a barricade to engage targets. Helps to practice as it changes footing and balance.

Prone and kneeling. Magazine length can affect position. Reloads are interesting the first couple of times.

Low port - Defined as the sight plane below the shoulder. Basically point shooting. Either at waist or using Israeli stance (butt stock in sternum squared stance to target). Usually close paper or targets on ground.

I think that was most of them. You do see each one from time to time. Modern subgun matches use much more full auto engagement arrays and controlling a long burst to sweep targets is a useful skill.

I also advocate practicing course analysis. It is what I call bob, pick and weave. This is utilizing you rounds to pick up second (pick) or more (weave) targets in a burst or throwing an extra round away (bob) from a no-shoot close by. Once you master this, you start to break a COF down as to each type of engagement.

Good luck with it all. Subgunning is a great way to spend a day.

Paul : -)#