a and d lage .22 drum adapter uzi talk forum buy

[harrissr]

do to the cancellation of the spring knob creek machinegun shoot we are going to offer uzi talk members a special buy as promised on our .22 drum adapters for the lage .22 conversion that allows you to use, e and l-- am180 drums on your .22 m11. these are made only for the lage conversion. this gives you 165 rnds of .22 instead of 40 ! normal price is $199.95+s/h uzi talk price is $169.95 +s/h per unit purchased. discount price good from today thru april 17,2012. call bruce at bazookabrothers.com, 7654347709. must be uzi talk member.

 

[cockednlocked45]

I'd like to get one, but I haven't read many reviews. Do these bad boys work on the the cheap ammo??

Why doesn't harrissr use capital letters at the beginning of sentences?

Break it down for me, I want to get one if it works!

 

[strobro32]

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[strobro32]

Yes they work as well as your Lage upper, but follow the directions carefully. Use the correct number of winds and use the CCI Mini mag RN. Some people find that other ammo works. It is a range toy and can be fun. I recommend it for the tinkerers who have patience.

You need to order the winder and drums from E&L Mfg. If you pay with a MO you can get a 15% cash discount.

$75.00 for the winder
$75.00 for the 165 drum
-22.50 for cash discount
+$12.00 shipping
$139.50

BB drum adapter + shipping for UT members
$177.95

Total=$317.45

 

[XxLT250RxX]

Yes they work as well as your Lage upper, but follow the directions carefully. Use the correct number of winds and use the CCI Mini mag RN. Some people find that other ammo works. It is a range toy and can be fun. I recommend it for the tinkerers who have patience.

You need to order the winder and drums from E&L Mfg. If you pay with a MO you can get a 15% cash discount.

$75.00 for the winder
$75.00 for the 165 drum
-22.50 for cash discount
+$12.00 shipping
$139.50

BB drum adapter + shipping for UT members
$177.95

Total=$317.45

Thanks for breaking it down for us. That will save people (me) some time.

 

[skoda]

+1 on it being a range toy for those who like to tinker, and tinker, and um tinker.

 

[MrM4]

The 180 coversions for the AR15 that I did the group buy on last time turned out to be a "tinker" project as well. I have not shot a m11 conversion yet so I can not speak for them. My kit worked strait out of the box in Semi( I only had a semi at the time) but I wasted alot of time trying to get the kit to work right in the M16, I ended up selling it without ever getting it to work with any 1 of my 3 .22 conversion kits. There has been alot of talk about these so for guys like cockednlocked45 heres a few threads about the BB adaptors I found with a quick search.

http://www.uzitalk.com/forums/showt...Brothers-AM180-Drum-Adapter&highlight=bazooka
http://www.uzitalk.com/forums/showt...hers-AM180-adapter-problems&highlight=bazooka
http://www.uzitalk.com/forums/showt...-Bazooka-Bros-drum-adapters&highlight=bazooka

 

[shawnr1]

As stated above, this setup will take some time and patience to run 100%. Mini mags also worked best for me. The main problem I have is rounds feeding in the tower correctly (i.g. the top round case lip getting caught behind the round below causing FTF). I'm thinking it's the number of winds maybe. I had it run 100% a few times and it was a lot of fun.

 

[Garrett]

I have no experience with the M11 drum adapter. But I'm going to guess it runs about like the Uzi adapter does. Which means it runs pretty well sometimes, and not so well others. Here are literally the first and second drums through my Uzi adapter. The first one only had one malfunction, and the other drum had a few. I've had times where I have a dozen or more malfunctions in a single drum, and other times when it's only one or two failures. I don't think I've ever run a full 165 rounds through it without a single failure.

 

[Vegas SMG]

Anyone know if it utilizes the OEM BlackDog/Lage magazines? That's the only way I'd ever consider one.
I think most of us with the A&D M-16 adapters felt the underlying problem was with their feed tower. I still wonder why A&D/Bazooka Brothers felt they needed to reinvent the wheel and didn't use the Black Dog mags made for the AR-15/M-16 .22 conversion.

Yes they work as well as your Lage upper, but follow the directions carefully...

Sadly that was not the experience with many of us M-16 users. I could run a dozen straight mags without a single malfunction of any kind using the same lot of CCI MimiMag ammo that would continually stuff up using the A$D adapter. My very best with the A&D was about a 40 round string and that was a one time event when the planets were perfectly aligned.

I have no experience with the M11 drum adapter. But I'm going to guess it runs about like the Uzi adapter does. Which means it runs pretty well sometimes, and not so well others.

I have no experience with the M11/9 adapter either, but I'll assume it runs like the one I had for my M-16... not well at all. How often and why do you use it Garrett?

 

[skoda]

It does use the Black Dog/Lage magazine as a tower, they just cut one down and fit it to the adaptor. There seems to be a common problem with the fit between the mag tower and the pan magazine outlet.

 

[MIDGET]

I thought I wanted one of these, but after reading all of the above, I think I'll wait a while for a better report/review. It certainly doesn't help their cause and make me very eager when I call to buy one and I get voicemail and nobody calls me back. Just makes me appreciate Jackie and Richard even more! Besides, with a Flemming, a Calico enroute, and both Lages- do I really need one? Prolly not...

the probable reason for his typing in all small letters is its easier for non-typists to "hunt and peck" with out having to worry about reaching for the caps key. at least it is for me.

 

[Garrett]

I have no experience with the M11/9 adapter either, but I'll assume it runs like the one I had for my M-16... not well at all. How often and why do you use it Garrett?

Mostly just as a range toy. Switching from Federal bulk pack to CCI Blazer seems to have helped reliability too. I haven't really had an opportunity to use it in competition, as I haven't been to a .22 subgun match (although I may have an opportunity at the end of April). When it runs, it runs pretty well. But I don't know that it's reliable enough to use in competition. So it's mostly a toy to tinker with.

I sometimes use the Uzi .22 to shoot jackrabbits and coyotes in Utah (and the occasional crow on the wing, but only when miles from anywhere), but I don't get out that way very often any more. The drum would be a handy way to transport all your ammo, but it might make for a heavy gun when hiking across the desert.

 

[skoda]

That's a good point. With the drum full it's an odd weight in an odd position and at an angle. Doesn't feel real good on a stock M11. Might feel better on a Max 11, don't know.

I'm keeping mine to fool with but I wish I had spent the money on more Lage 40 rounders.

 

[harrissr]

all of the adapters are recommended to use cci minimags. some of the guns will run with other ammo reliably most will not. mr lage himself has run our units and both the uzi and m11 use blackdog towers that have been modified to feed from the drum. as strobro has stated most of the problem with these 2 towers come from not following the instructions as written. the charging of the tower is absolutely critical to functioin to prevent cartridge rim stacking as with the 40 rnd mags. the std number of winds on the winder often needs to be reduced with the m11 by 1/2 o 1 full turn in some guns. the tinkering that is referred to if needed is primarily with the .22 unit itself to reduce frictiion. there is no mods to be made to the adapter itself. on the web site there are modifications that can be made to the drums to reduce friction , in most cases this is also not needed.

 

[Vegas SMG]

Harrissr; I noticed the shooters in the Bazooka Brothers videos are sitting down and / or bracing themselves in an apparent effort to minimize the firearm's movement when using the drums. Seems 'kinda strange to dump drums while seated so stationary and rigid. http://bazookabrothers.com/video.htm

Is this a requirement for reliability?

Thanks for offering the special discount to board members. I look forward to reading detailed reviews from the members who purchase a "smile maker" adapter.

 

[harrissr]

vegas smg thanks for the question. if you look on youtube as well as on some of the bazookabro. esp the older ones that were on the site you will see me standing on the line at knob creek shooting the m11 and the hk, you will see a guy with his uzi standing and you will see a guy with his m16 standing at the range. most of the videos are shot of me shooting and i am running the camera also and it is easier for me to site the camera in on an empty chair before i film me sitting on the chair. also in most of the videos i have been testing dozens of adapters and had been firing thousands of rounds after a long day so i get tired and sit down. if you would like more standing videos ; will do. i originally shot videos in short bursts ( which is much more of a test of reliability than a drum dump + i was trying to save my barrels after several hundred thousand rounds of ammo ) but everyone thought the gun would not do a reliable dump so i did dumps and then we got emails wanting to know if the guns would functin in bursts !! where you hold the weapon can effect function for the simple fact that if your sleeve even drags against the moving drum it can upset and cause a hitch and that doesn't matte what gun you are using. i have seen many folks sware up and down that they didn't do it and then i take there gun and run it with no hitches and they still don't want to believe it was their error. i wish this wasn't so but i guarantee it is because i have messed up my own running and have had to figure myself what exactly was going on. also there are so many guys guns that are not running 100% againa and again with 40 rnds and then they expect for it to run 100% with 165 ; it just isn't going to happen. a clean gun isn't necessarily clean just in their opinion. most guys who have not dealt extensively with .22 smg have no idea what all is involved in getting a .22 smg to run reliably. when you do a caliber conversion such as lage has done it is even more of a miricle especially with all of the different make guns and tolerence variations. the most reliable .22 smg conversion or original is the hk .22 conversion for the .308 guns by far. i have owned and/or shot virtually all of the .22 smgs out there including browning 1919 with a .22 conversion, am180, norrel 10/22, lakeside, voere, and the list goes on and on. i have put over 600,000 rnds thru the hk with a couple hundred drum dumps in that number and just broke my 2nd part. an extracter at 225000 and a firing pin at 600000 + rnds. it still ran 4 drum dumps with the broken pin ! i wish all of the .22 conversions were that great ; just not so , but lages is a definitely a good one and it is just as good standing as sitting but there is more that can interfere standing.